In a few months, we will finally see the burial of President Ferdinand E. Marcos at the Libingan ng mga Bayani, 27 years after the late president’s death. This is one of the first major national policies of President Rodrigo R. Duterte. And in deciding to allow the Marcos burial in the Heroes’ Cemetery, President Duterte absolutely made the right call.
Better late than never, as they always say. It is better to bury President Marcos now 27 years after his death than just letting his corpse freeze in Ilocos Norte. Call it poetic justice if you want, the late president will now get what he is due: a burial befitting a former Commander-in-Chief and a soldier who risked his life in the line of duty during the Second World War.
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And why should we not bury President Marcos at the Heroes’ Cemetery? The AFP has already explained the rules for a person to be qualified for burial in the Heroes’ Cemetery. Marcos fits the qualifications set by the Department of National Defense. Marcos was a soldier who served in the Second World War, awarded the Medal of Valor. He is one of only around 40 Filipinos to have even received the award. He received the award when he was still only a Congressman of Ilocos Norte, and Gen. Douglas MacArthur also personally recognized Marcos’ services during the war.
Marcos was a former President, thrice elected in democratic elections (1965, 1969, 1981; four if you count 1986). Besides being a war veteran as previously mentioned, Marcos as Commander-in-Chief led the Philippines through a tumultuous era: the Cold War. The communists came in and launched a protracted war against the Philippine state. The situation was made worse when Moro rebels in the South tried to secede.
Being the United States’ mainstay in Asia, Marcos made sure the Philippines performed its part to make sure that the communists would not emerge victorious in the Cold War. First, by allowing America to use the country as a jump-off point towards Vietnam. Second, by suppressing the communist rebellion and preventing them from taking over the state apparatus and wreak havoc upon the entire nation as they did in China and North Korea.
When duty called, Marcos answered and performed his job as executive by declaring martial law to quell the rebellion. Martial law ushered in an era of stability after years of uprisings by the communists. When human rights abuses were reported, Marcos took responsibility and did what he had to do: 8,800 military officers were fired from the AFP during martial law due to complaints of human rights abuses. Regardless of how one looks at it, Marcos dutifully performed his job as President of the Republic. It was thanks to his government’s policies that the Philippine state remains standing and whole, not under a communist government nor is it one region smaller.
His loyalists would say he is a hero, his detractors would call him an evil dictator. But what I would say is this, Ferdinand E. Marcos was a man who served his country nobly as a soldier, and as President, made the right decisions when duty called. Marcos was a man who knew how to deal with the circumstances of his time. He is not the evil man that the left and the oligarchs accuse him of being. I am glad that on September 1972, at a time of global crisis and national instability, it was Ferdinand Marcos in Malacanang and not anyone else.
The Marcos detractors have emerged again ahead of his burial. Those people are promoting hate, they’re promoting instability, they’re promoting national fragmentation, they’re promoting bigotry, they’re promoting violence, the very things they accused Marcos of. Millennials are scapegoated as Marcos apologists, but when I saw the Bongbong Marcos rallies, I saw old people, not young people. Those were middle-aged people, many were already senior citizens.
Perhaps it is difficult for them to accept the end of the status quo, that President Ferdinand E. Marcos would be viewed in a more favorable light, not as dictated by the dishonest media and twisted history books. Part of me honestly wants to hold the burial on September 21, just to watch the reaction of the radicals, but I believe the late President deserves it on his birthday.
This September, President Marcos will be interred underground, out of sight and out of mind. Such closes the curtain on the Marcos legacy, which had its ups and downs. It is now time for us to do our part. Whatever mistakes Ferdinand Marcos did, we must learn and never repeat them. Likewise, we must build upon the good that he was able to do.
So, I laud the decision of President Rodrigo Duterte to allow the burial of President Ferdinand Marcos at the Heroes’ Cemetery. I laud him for making the right decision without being influenced by the detractors. The Marcos burial will begin a new chapter in our nation’s history, and it is up to us to write what will be in that chapter.
It’s weird how some would separate Marcos from the human rights violations by saying the soldiers were the ones who screwed up yet say Noynoy is to be blaimed for the SAF’s poor execution in Mamasapano. Both screwed up neither way.
As for Marcos being buried in the Libingan ng mga Bayani, the main problem stems from how we throw around the word “bayani” all the time as if it is an absolute, objective title. I say bury that lifeless corpse anywhere they want so long as conditions are passed. I just hope his burial won’t re-write history. We still have resources to be cross-referenced before determining if he is a “bayani”. Not everybody buried in Libingan ng mga Bayani helped the country progress. I mean, many won’t say Angelo Reyes served the country well.
the burial of his body surely will be written in the history. i hope it would give an intellectual and truthful meaning instead of demonizing his persona.
Isn’t it clear that former president Marcos saved the country heroically from the communist plan to take over our democratic government, by declaring Martial Law?
It’s hard for me to believe that notion since media, academic and anecdotal sources have indicated that communism gained traction during his term and even increased in followers when he declared ML. It also doesn’t help that notion thay communism is still alive and kicking in the nation to this day.
The late Father Balweg once stated that the NPA is nearly eradicated during the ML years. The NPA was regaining strength after Cory Aquino freed Joma Sison and other members of the CPP. They were spared by granting them a 35-year ban and an exile.
On your original point: the Red Scare was no mere scare. Communists are trying to take over the government. Actually, two years prior to Martial law, there was the First Quarter Storm. You connect the dots.
The first segment of the video should address your questions. And here’s another.
Dio,
The fact that Balweg, a man who denounced the CPP later on, went against what other sources proves the need for cross-referencing. This is not a religion we’re talking about where we can just choose sources based on our preferences and ignore others. Stanford’s historical accounts of the CPP, for example, don’t jive with Balweg’s claims.
Now, the First Quarter Storm occurred during Marcos’ second term. For 5 years, it can be argued that he was unable to stop the brewing leftist unrest that was about to happen.
Connecting the dots, it would seem the notion that Marcos saved the Philippines from communism is a major stretch. He may have tried. But just like every other president after him, he failed.
He was a Filipino soldier. The Libingan ng mga Bayani was established as a fitting resting place not just for PH heroes and martyrs & Generals but also for Filipino military personnel.
like Stalin, Marcos should stay freeze for the unborn to see who their hero is. He must stay alive forever. Heroes are not for maggots.
Pwede! but a monument is more sturdy and will last forever. Delikado sa freezer baka mag-brown ot patay tayo dyan. 🙂
I really dont understand this. This goes so against the article written by Grimwald about idolatry.
Furthermore, if I was Marcos’ son or his brother, I will decide about where he will be buried (or cremated).
This should and must be a family affair and not decided by a president or a government.
…but it is indeed the family’s decision (long-standing wish) to have him buried at the LNMB…
SDK,
strange and weird decision. Marcos is not a ‘possession’ for the common people. Here is where we differ. We are private people. We dont want strangers to visit my grave or my dad’s grave. Its not a place to worship my family (you get my drift?). Its not Lourdes or Mecca.
If we are called a hero because for simply doing a job in an excellent way then something is really wrong with that society.
Doing a job in an excellent way must be the norm and the standard. And then nobody needs a hero grave.
What you wrote is sad but true. We often hear people being praised to high heavens for doing what is written in their job descriptions which is suppose to be the standard. For most, there is no such thing as extra effort. Another thing. I used to get into trouble with my superiors before because they are receiving complaints that I do not motivate those I supervise. But they are managers and I always insist that they be self motivated. I kept my job till I retired. My point is as I have seen it from the ground, excellence is still as rare as a lunar eclipse in this part of the world.
Sancho,
For me (and most Dutch people who have a job) its the standard to do an excellent job. Each year we also get a one-on-one performance review conversation with the dept. manager about any progress (or targets). If I fail those targets/developments/progress, I will get fired.
In that aspect, we dont idolize our president/prime minister/king or queen (or who ever). And we certainly dont see/regard such a person as an example to lead us.
A prime minister – in my country – has very little power to change anything. He/she needs parliament to change laws/rules and regulations and a prime minister is certainly NOT able to change the culture of my country.
>> Doing a job in an excellent way must be the norm and the standard. And then nobody needs a hero grave.
Hear, hear.
When the Philippines understands this, it will have a lot more everyday heroes.
I guess detractors do take the name of the cemetery too seriously: “Bayani”. Haha, how shallow. Fucking stoopid pinoy culture takes everything too damn literally. Its supposed to be the ph equivalent to arlington national cemetery, isnt it? Why not rename the cemetery, then bury him for crissake? Move on, you fucking emos, in the end it’s just a plot of land filled with human remains.
>> in the end it’s just a plot of land filled with human remains.
Good point T.
F. Marcos is dead. Who cares if he was a “hero” or not? 100 million Filipinos, most of whom are the complete opposite of heroes, are still alive and making a royal mess of the country.
Still, I bet Marcos would be proud of the country he left behind. He set the standard for grand larceny, and Filipinos are still hard at work ripping each other off.
… is it possible that a superpower country set the standards for larceny in a small (or third world country)?… that if the leader balk he gets overthrown or….
um what?
I guess there were plenty of USSR-as-was oligarchs who could give Marcos a run for his money, but he does still hold the official record for the largest sum of money ever stolen by a sitting president.
Of course, there is no evidence. None at all. Except for the World Bank loan records and the disclosure of foreign accounts. No doubt they just made all that up to make the Philippines look bad. Nothing is ever the Filipino’s fault, is it?
If it’s about Guinness World Records you should visit the site right now and type Ferdinand Marcos and see the results for yourself. Oddly enough the entry about Suharto still remains.
WR: for some reason it doesn’t give a result for that search.
I’m taking my info from Wikipedia: ‘Guinness World Records (with wife, Imelda): largest-ever theft: USD860.8 million “salted away” identified in April 23, 1986 with total stolen since November 1965, an estimated 5 to 10 billion dollars’.
At least the country is famous for something, eh?
But yeah, I’ve no doubt Suharto was neck-and-neck with Marcos. Bear in mind that Malay culture has a lot of similarities with Filipino, for obvious geographical reasons.
Politics aside; Ferdinand Marcos Sr. was a World War II soldier and a hero. The Aquinos and the Cojuangcos, who were Japanese Imperialist collaborators, are the ones against the burial of Marcos , Sr., in the Libingan ng mga Bayani. Maybe, they want Benigno Aquino, Sr., to be buried there !
My late father, was a World War II, soldier,who fought in the Battle of Bataan, and survived the infamous Death March, from Mariveles to Capas, Tarlac. He fought again as a Filipino Guerrilla, after his release in the Tarlac Camp.
So, please understand the families of those, who sacrificed in World War II. The YellowTards and most of the millenials cannot understand these sacrifices, by these Filipino soldiers. We are hurt, if these people make fun of the sacrifices, just because of politics of destruction !
Kudos to Pres. Duterte , for his decision ! Thank you, Mr. President !
We share the same sentiments 444Toro007Hyden999999.999. My late father was also a World War 11 veteran, who also fought in the same battles as your late father did and also survived the infamous Death March. They might have even know each other.
You are right in saying these Aquinos and Cojuangcos don’t know and cannot understand these sacrifices because they were never soldiers who fought for our country. They fought for their own self-preservation.
I think this brief note by someone some years back puts some perspective on who’s for who.
Thing is, bury him there, not bury him there, that’s not going to affect the fortunes of the country much. There are other people who are corrupt aside from Marcos, but they’re using the anti-Marcos fever to draw the attention from them. If one is against Marcos, better be against all of them politicos.
Whether he deserves a burial in a National Cemetary is a debate for the Filipno people to have. As a foreigner who knew of Imelda had 3,000 pairs of shoes and accoutrements most other people will never have, at a time when her fellow countryen were starving, only made it easy to HATE THEIR FUCKIN GUTS !
FM thought he was soooo fuckin COOL that he demanded THE BEATLES, on their day off from a grueling road trip schedule, perform for him in person….and THEY DID what I wish I could have done and said NO, and told him to go fuck himself….and were treated like shit for it.So as a BEATLES fan,I SAY FUCK HIM,let him rot in a sewer.The prick scumbag
There is NO DOUBT that he murdered many of his enemies and ewas responsible for the torture of many more of his enemies.Almost all of who were his fellow countrymen. The facts are that many Filipino’s, probably 40-60% of them, think FM doesn’t deserve a burial in a National Cemetary. Such a divisive figure that can arouse such fierce derision from people is not a beloved former leader and there is a reason it has not already been done, MANY REASON’s in fact.So does that sound like someone who deserves any such treatment ? Not anyone that has ever been afforded such treatment that I’ve heard of. So bring on the petty insults, as that is all most readers and commenters here have anyway.
MAYBE when his family gives back the rest of the stolen Filipino people’s money would be a good time to do it ?
Foreigner? More like a TROLLLING SCMUBAG. 😛
I dunno what you’re trying to say here, but it seems you’re just a fag who thinks that everything is better after Marcos left. Reality-check: it’s much worse. And you’re focusing too much on trivial things like the Beatles fiasco (which is also the band’s fault) and the shoes, etc.
And about the murder of his enemies and being responsible for the tortures of his many more enemies, focusing just on one man is too simplistic. You didn’t even bat an eye on Ramos and Enrile, who played a BIGGER ROLE on those murders and tortures. And because of how the Aquino-Cojuangco’s screwed up the country for more than 30 years, they took a second look on Marcos so it’s probably 50-50 upon the decision of Marcos having a burial in the Libingan ng mga Bayani. You have the facts, yet you’re utterly one-sided and you can’t admit your own biases. Why bother about the petty insult since your comments are pure insult itself?
My advice: be careful what you wish for. Even the Marcoses themselves said that they were ready to settle the matter. But the problem is that the Yellows themselves, including you, would not even listen. Seems the opposing side (yes, including you) is not interested on resolving the issue because once it is resolved, they could no longer have their girly fits and propaganda. Is that it?
NO, that is not what I think, you ass-wipe. All you have are petty insults, nothing of substance to answer what I stated. So you make up something YOU WISH I said and take it from there, like a typical retarded flip.
I also stated what Enrile did to put forth the 1081 imposition, or did you miss that, SHIT FOR BRAINS ?
and there is not a yellow supporter writing this you presumptuous dooshbag.
As expected from an emotionally-ridden douche: all crap and not substance.
You mentioned Enrile earlier, but it seems you’re implying that Marcos himself is doing it. In case you don’t notice, Enrile himself is the ‘architect’ of Martial law. Yet you’re too much fixated on one man that you ignore almost everything.
You may not be a Yellow supporter, but just another crybaby just here for shits and giggles.
The fact is ,Juan Ponce Enrile pulled a HOAX shooting that gave this guy Ferdinand Marcos reason enough to declare Martial Law. This was A HOAX perpetrated by Marcos so he could hold onto power. Does a Man who pulled A HOAX on the entire country, no matter what his past accomplishments were, one so hideous as to be used as a reason to declare MARTIAL LAW,ILLEGALLY, on an entire country for over a decade, sound like someone who is deserving of a National Burial to you ?
This is a FACT.
Here are a few more: over 30,000 people were imprisoned ILLEGALLY under proclamation 1081, some dying in prison. The establishment of ‘CRONY CAPITALISM’ enabled FM and his FAMILY to STEAL MILLIONS of USDollars that to this day have yet to be returned to their rightful owners:The Filipino people. His Son, refuses to even acknowledge what his Mother, the haggard old witch, so brazenly describes as 170 Foreign Bank Accounts ‘STUFFED’ with cash stolen during the Martial Law years by Marcos and his family and friends.
Marcos Son also acts as if his Father was not a Tyrant, and so does the writer of this article. A tyrant of such gigantic proportions that even had the audacity to ROB Westinghouse Corporation of over $25 Million USDollars for a Nuclear Reactor facility that was built, in true Filipino ignorance, on a FAULT LINE and was deemed to much of a hazard to ever be brought on line and produced not one single Kilo-watt hour of electricity.
MAYBE if BING BING gave back the money that his Family stole from the Filipino people, FM could have a National Cemetary Burial.Every single OFW I asked today said:”NO, he should not be given anything.”, yep,OFW’s living outside the country said this TODAY, in unison on the negative.
Fact? More like pure TROLLING. 😛
I just want to tell you that Enrile WAS the architect for the implementation of Martial Law. Seems you’re clueless about the fact that 2 years prior to 1972, there was the First Quarter Storm. This is no hoax since Communists are trying to take over the country. Whether you like it or not, Martial Law was declared for that purpose. And it is in accordance to the 1935 Constitution so it was LEGAL.
Here are few more, fag: 30,000 people were imprisoned, but do you think ALL of them are innocents? Not just innocents were imprisoned but also criminals, revolutionaries, terrorists, etc. Just ask Rigoberto Tiglao, he was imprisoned during that time. And if you think that “crony capitalism” during the Marcos regime is bad, then the “crony capitalism” after 1986 is far more worse. Them stealing millions of US dollars is just nothing compared The Aquino/Cojuangco’s with their cronyism and others have taken advantage of the 1987 constitution to practically ROB the PUBLIC BLIND for over 30 YEARS! Long story short, there are already estimates that show corruption in the 30 years after 1986 is five times the 20 years prior to 1986.
News flash: There are GLOBAL FREEZE orders on all assets of the Marcoses acquired prior to 1986 not only coming from the PHL and that international Anti-Money Laundering body based in Paris, but also by the US, as they have done on the Shah of Iran, etc etc, or are you ignorant about this?. And those orders have NOT been lifted; so, how can the Marcoses be in control of so called wealth? But, you seem to know some billions the Marcoses are hiding in their garage, this or that warehouse, this or that bank, but you don’t want to spell them out; WHY IS THAT???
Here’s something on the BNPP issue: even a lot of experts say that the nuclear reactor is safe. You’re just dwelling on your own ignorance just to continue your own scaremongering campaign.
And the last paragraph:
Quoting this again: be careful what YOU wish for. Because the time he tries to do that, it’s gonna get pillaged by our own trapos. Or maybe you’re too dumb to realize that.
haaay these yellow trolls… nakakapagod na kayo.
Mr. Yoshikage Kira, they would not know the truth even if the truth is staring them at their faces…OR probably they could not start facing the truth after living a lie for 30 years. The silver lining is that Filipinos of different ages are educating themselves about Martial Law, The Marcoses, the aquinos, the Philippine History. Even those affected by Martial Law have been aghast against the injustices done by the yellows against the people. A few years back my nephew told me he thinks FEM was the greatest president. I was shocked and told him FEM started corruption in the Philippines. I bought online every Marcos book i can get and shipped it back home to the PI. Fast forward #SAF44 happened…and i read all i can get about what has been happening in the Philippines the last 6 years i was away and boom! IF i measure every president post EDSA against Marcos’ standards, it is because he indeed was the greatest president the Philippines had. Miriam was a great one we never had because of ramos election fraud. BBM has shown great potentials and statesmanship and of course the yellows have done everything they can to stop him and besmirch him and his family. Even the yellows have taken after their yellow lords and are very, very vile and rabid.
I am an OFW Sir, are you sure you ask everyone of us? How could this be possible sir when almost all the OFW’s i know and some friends in those local and big OFW forums are for Marcos?
We are working abroad Sir, and most of us are hoping that someday, our country will be like the place/s where we are currently employed. If that’s not our wish sir, why would you think that the majority of OFW’s and OAV’s majority voted for BBM?
Get real post should change its name to.
” we really are Marcos supporters”
This have site has zero to do with ” enlightening filipinos” and more to push the owners and writers political agendas
Marcis was a war hero?
Maybe.?
Was he a hero to philippine people?
No.
He was a tyrant that plunged this country into poverty and martial law.
Truth sucks to those delusional followers.
But it is what it is.
Was the yellow party any better?
No they were a bunch of tyranical power holders too.
( added this in because when u mention the truth here people devide u must side for the yellow party because filipinos are very one dimensional.)
Marcos was a tyrant. His family plundered the philippines.
Rewrite history if u want.
But thank fuck must people know propaganda when they see it.
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But thank fuck must people know propaganda when they see it.
But of course, people are beginning to realize that Marcos isn’t really the tyrant/thief as he was depicted by the so-called “EDSA victors.”
It’s also noticeable the trolls are now pretending to be “neutral.” Then they savagely spew anti-Marcos tirades and histrionics while labeling everyone pro-Marcos because we dare give them the benefit of doubt.
Wow. Your delusion and propaganda is so thick perhaps you should be working for china?
Well u soon might be if Duterte gets his way
Wow. Your TROLLING and FAGGOTY is so thick perhaps you should take this trolling to somewhere else?
See, they can’t wait to impose themselves on others. (=_=)
People have the freedom to question such dubious anti-Marcos narratives.
Laughable. You should change your username to TheVoiceofFaggotry. Your comments say otherwise. Anyhow,
So your point is your whole society and culture are just a reflection on your tyrants?
Here’s my counterpoint: what you actually wanted is a government whored by media that keeps on telling you “Everything is okay” and never look forward for progress as a society and a nation but to be part of a mediocrity.
All I can say is that you’re always pointing against one tyrant while alluding to the tyrants under the shadows of democracy. Please be honest, because that is totally hypocritical of you.
Typical failpino author( where ever u cut and pasted it from and did not include the source..u do realize thats illegal right)
Everyone else has a tyrant….
Everyonelse has corruption.
Well its not as bad as africa.
Wake up to yourself and the lies u tell to yourself.
This is a nation of children and excuses.
Pathetic is all those trying to rewrite history and claim the marcos years were the golden years.
For the marcos family they were.
For their friends and allies they were.
Thats it.
We know thats it because it was well documented from numerous sources.
And ffs. Bong bong was brought up by his bat shit mother.
Seriously…u really need a lesson in history again and again or are u going to site more bullshit rants?
Typical Faillipino TROLLFAG.
And you’re trying to say that everything is better AFTER 1986? It’s no propaganda, it’s reality-check. BTW, what’s the point of having a lesson in history if history is biased or not trying to be objective about it?
I wish all Pinoys should have to actually learn objective history. When they blindly say the Marcos Years were all bad and give nothing constructive about it but rejoice the 1987 Constitution and Cory’s efforts like it was a breath of fresh air, its like the same idiots who thought the Spanish finally leaving was a time of grace for the country. Yes only for the likes of Cojuangcos, Aquinos and such to take over and install their political dynasties for centuries on end. Because pinoys are so caught up on extraneous details and forget the proper context in mind of the important events that happened.
lol. such free verse. much poetic:
“Everyone else has a tyrant….
Everyonelse has corruption.
Well its not as bad as africa.
Wake up to yourself and the lies u tell to yourself.
This is a nation of children and excuses.
Pathetic is all those trying to rewrite history and claim the marcos years were the golden years.
For the marcos family they were.
For their friends and allies they were.
Thats it.”
this exactly what the philippines needs. more bum poets.
They say never spoon-feed the troll but since this particular troll can’t or just unwilling to find sources which he himself demanded, someone has to do it; this while having lunch with the kids.
About the flourishing infrastructure projects:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHaJ15npEyM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clR0E9JLN58
About the so-called stolen wealth:
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/01/24/world/asia/imelda-marcos-fast-facts/
http://www.nytimes.com/1990/07/03/nyregion/marcos-verdict-marcos-cleared-all-charges-racketeering-fraud-case.html?pagewanted=all
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/187295.stm
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/11/world/asia/11phils.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCvDOe95_BA
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-21022457
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzPcEMwkvQ4
Hi I’m thevoiceofreason and I’m a proud idiot aquino follower. The marcoses are evil because of martial law that I even call this one evil as well because he has the surname marcos in it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%A9lson_Marcos
You just want the Filipinos to be divided with your north korean-like mindset do you fuckhead?
daughter and i ROFL with this ????????????????
Disagree point to facts called a troll and a fag?
Yes.
No wonder filipino online gamers and bloggerd are known ad the most toxic and disliked people on the internet.
You are all delusional marvos supporters.
This site is purely a propaganda filled shit hole of quote mined information and misinformation and in true pinoy form when pointed out a difference of opinion the sink to insults of the of a gutter whore.
Not sure though how faggot is an insult?
Comming from a filipino that is hilarious.
Your culture has the most percentage of gay men and transgendered people in all of asia, perhaps the world even.
To use being a homosexual as an insult not only shows how much rot is in your brains.
What does offend me is your blatant refusal to acknowledge any wrong doing by an of the marvos family.
I do have to wonder..how much do u get paid to be a marcos idol?
Or are u just a typical idiot that genuinely is u educated and honestly believes this trollop?
This SIte is full of propaganda marcos supporters.
U point out the truth and they scream you are a troll or you support the yellow party.
So fucking typical be dimensional fliptards that have never left their own island, let alone the country.
Just because i know you are talking out your ass about the Marcos family( who coincidentally were linked to the panama files) means im a troll and an yellow party supporter?
No. Im not any of oligarch family supporter.
I know for a fact the filipino people need a leader from elsewhere to govern them.
You have proved over and over you are not capable of it yourselves.
@TheVoiceofFaggotry:
Now you’re just grasping straws. The problem is that you only select ‘facts’ for your own personal convenience while most of us here pointed out on everyone and everything. Not to mention that you’re just pinning on one side rather than looking on two sides of the story.
Now you have your own delusions on accusing everyone here as ‘Marcos supporters’ and being ‘paid hacks’ is a sign of desperation. Pure TROLLING at its worst. On the contrary, just because we don’t believe in Yellow Propaganda means we believe in Marcos propaganda? Get a load on there, fella. Nice logic you got there.
Pointing out the truth is not bad, but clinging to a ‘truth’ for your own personal convenience or self-pleasure is totally wrong. For your info, I acknowledge the wrongdoings of the Marcos family AND the good side of them while you even fail to see that due to your own EMOness and crap. Lemme guess: the next time you comment you’ll say the Aquino-Cojuangco family are good and they can never do wrong. That is also propaganda. Do you even notice that?
Unfortunately for you, I’ll keep on saying you’re a troll and a Yellow Tate because you’re always EMO over Marcos and that’s it. You said that you’re not an oligarch family supporter, but you already are. Because after Marcos left, the oligarchs ruled this country. And that’s a fact.
Go through my posts.
Never been an aquino supporter.
You are creating a straw,an argument and flat out lying.
Again.
I hope aquino gets whats comming to hm.
I have said it before here.
He either was incompetsnt and had no idea of the pork barrel or was directly involved using it to fuel favors.
Plus he fucked up the arrest of the milf débâcle and should have etood doen immediately.
Lets not forget them stealing all that farm land and killing they farmers who were protesting in cold blood.
Get it?
Not a fucking yellow supporter you stup one dimensional fliptard.
But i personally know people whi lived through the marcos regime.
They would slap u down like the little worm that u r it u told them marcos had good points.
He screwed this country, its people and imelda is batshit crazy.
Anyone brought up by her is going to be far from of sound mind.
U guys here sound like the nazi youth that rose up in germany a few years ago.
Reality crashed into them hard by the use of facts and history and survivors.
U have only ever posyed opinions and propaganda.
You all should ne ashamed of yourselves for promoting marcos.
As christians, u r going to get a rude awakening if there is an afterlife.
Doubt you will like where u r going.
Thou shall not bear false witness.
Liar.
Unfortunately, you cast the first stone since you’re thoroughly one-sided in the first place? Accusing me being a liar and one who bear false witness shows how desperate you are, along with your playing the victim card crap.
About the people you knew who lived thru the Marcos regime, it seems unfortunate that they let their emotions run over, ya know what I’m saying?
In case you don’t notice, the people after him are much worse. Due to your EMOness, you fail to understand about it. You connect the dots, especially the points I try to make.
Hate to break it to you, but it seems you’re totally fixated against Marcos and refuse to see the bigger picture. What you wanted is a government whored by media that keeps on telling you ‘Everything is okay’ and never look forward for progress as a nation and society but to be part of a mediocrity. Whether you like it or not, those things happened AFTER Marcos left. This is no propaganda, it’s facts.
You should be ashamed of yourself for being a one-sided fag who failed to see the bigger picture. Sad to say, you’re the biggest liar in existence since you’re dwelling yourself with the lies and deceit made by the Yellows for over 30 years.
@ Voice of Reason, these idoits are not capable of seeing anything other than their leader’s POV. The refuse to realize that FMarcos was a tyranical thieving scumbag and that all of the other politico’s in the country today are even worse. Point this out to these shitheads and they call you a troll-fag or some ridiculous shit BUT they can not see what is right in front of them because they are blinded by their ignorance as well as by the few peso’s they are paid to write comments here to support their Marcos favoring hero.
@DELERIOUS FAGGOT:
Says the guy who keeps on saying Marcos is a thieving scumbag and the ONLY thieving scumbag in existence while the Aquino-Cojuangco clan and their allies are not, which they prove that they were far more worse. You are blinded by your own ignorance since your eyes are fixated only on Marcos while every thieving scumbag is giving a pass. And accusing the bloggers here being ‘paid hacks’ is insulting. But what do I expect from an Aquino-loving paid hack like yourself?
@ IRWIN SHITHEAD, read the guys last post, he said Aquino is evena worse thief, so after that…what is your point ? That Marcos was NOT A THIEVING SCUMBAG ? get a clue, retard.
TROLL. 😛
The point is that after everything the Aquinos have done over the last 30 years, people are now treating Marcos more of being a petty thief than a thieving scumbag. That’s because post-EDSA presidents now made him an amateur by comparison.
Apparently, you’re even more retarded since you’re clueless. Of course, you love to overrate stuff, right?
@ T V o R, YES, You are absolutely correct. The Marcos family were thieving scumbags just like the Aquino’s.This web-site has turned into a propaganda bull-horn for the Marcos family and I’d bet they are being paid to write this garbage.
Bing-Bing is a clown and is about to become a very rich Man after his hagged out Mother dies and he inherits all that his scumbagging family stole from the Failipino people. Filipino’s deserve him and whatever else they get.
When flips are shown the truth about their leaders and point to another leader as if that leader is NOT a thieving scumbag too, flips appear clueless as worker bee’s, and actually are…and even moreso because they suppossedly have a brain. BUT IT LOOKS LIKE,NO THEY DO NOT. Flips should get out the guillotine, and use it on every single one of these POS, but they won’t.To busy saying THANK YOU for that free sack of rice the thieving politician gave them for their vote.
And you are totally confirmed for TROLL since you’re absolutely wrong.
You keep on whining about the Marcos family being thieving scumbags yet you never even bat an eye on the people after them, which is they are far more worse.
This kind of faggotry again. You totally ignore the fact that there are factors like the GLOBAL FREEZE orders of their assets. A lot of factors that a TROLL like yourself would never, ever understand.
Unfortunately, the ‘truth’ what you’re trying to say is just a part and not ALL of it. Much for being trivial, aren’t we?
The next time you comment here is where you’re trying to say that the current president Rodrigo Duterte is a theving scumbag. Wow, a scumbag calling others being scumbags. How typical.
This article is about marcos being buried as a hero.
So why the fuck would we be twlking about all the other piece of shit politicians u failpino keep electing.
Are u guys in your own little wonder land?
Marcos is a former soldier.
So why the crap keep on being EMO over a dead ex-president which it leads us to nowhere.
Speaking of wonder land, believing that everything is better after 1986 seems like a wonder land to me. Why you ask?
Everything better after 1986?
Wow. Yeah u really are brainwashed.
Just keep throwing around the most useless carch phrases.
Say a lie enough and they will think its true right?
I give up.
Just like the usa did and decided flips were not worth trying to save.
@VoiceofTROLLING:
Let me reinstate
You’re so fixated on Marcos left and right that you tend to ignore about the things and events that happened AFTER he left.
And please stop being hypocritical. Because you’re already have been brainwashed in the first place. Not to mention about your refusal to look on history in an objective way. How can I’ve been brainwashed when I totally saw what happened 30 years after 1986? Of course you go crybaby mode and say “Martial law was bad and bad, waaaah~” while I prefer to look at both sides of the story?
Better to give up because you’re actually TROLLING on this site. Deal with it.
@ VofR, yes, they are idioits not worth trying to help.The comments after what you wrote prove it. This article is about Marcos and one shithead keeps stating ‘All you do is mention Marcos’ as if the article is about Ice-hockey or something else entirely different from MARCOS. Yes, FLIPS are MORONS of the highest caliber (and that is an insult!) not worth the sweat off my balls.
@DELERIOUS:
Point freakin’ but what do I expected from a one-sided shithead like yourself?
you throw around the word “Marcos supporter” like its an insult. I still fail to see how thats supposed to discourage the writers from writing and for the guys in the combox from responding to you.
Voiceofreason I agree with you. Most of the so called “journalists” here are MARCOS’ revisionists. I’m a filipino. I personally know what happened during the Marcos years.
Enrile already admitted during an interview that he staged the ambush that precipitated martial law. these people are delusional.
until now they refuse to see the evidence….like this http://interaksyon.com/article/125980/imee-marcos-sons-jv-ejercito-among-572-pinoys-in-offshore-holdings-expose
I’m not wasting anymore bandwidth for these people.they’re either stupid or paid hacks to revise history.
Nice red herring, fag. Even there are ‘evidences’ it only pertains on one side. You’re already wasting your bandwidth, son. You accuse people here for being stupid or ‘paid hacks’ to revise history yet you’re also stupid for refusing to study OBJECTIVE history
Accusing everyone here as ‘Marcos revisionists’? Spoken like a true Yellowtail. Please your faggotry to somewhere else.
Hitler youth much?
Well, Yellowtardism much?
He’s just open-minded and nothing else. What you have is just Martial Law ‘Crybaby syndrome. That’s not even right.
The ‘HITLER YOUTH’ would have nothing to do with these wannabe ass-wipes.These clowns are so dumb that even when shown solid evidence of the thieving ways of the Marcos family and how the hoax Enrile pulled to implement ML,prop 1081, they have no answer but insults like Troll Fag etc etc…..truly retarded flips.
Tyoical TROLLFAG. Awesome about playing the victim card, huh?
Solid evidence yet you’re just retarded since you love to overrate stuff. You also have a fixated view on Enrile where he is actually the ‘architect’ of Martial law. And you give him a pass?
http://www.manilatimes.net/why-not-ask-ramos-and-enrile-about-martial-law-abuses/247486/
Unfortunately, the biggest clowns here are those who are vehemently EMO over a dead ex-president. They do that just to satiate their own EMO tendencies. Go figure.
Truly retarded emotards. 😛
@ YOKO NO-NO, no one gave anyone a pass you fuckin clown. Go around in circles,insult those who tell you what a bunch of thieves Marcos (and all the other politicians are)and his family are….. and enjoy your poverty as it is all you will ever have. Your flip tard ways fool no one with a brain.Ya fuckin clown…
@DELERIOUS CLOWN:
You’re a clown yourself when you’re just fixated on Marcos as if the Aquinos can never do wrong since they were worshipped as demigods like you and the rest of their cronies did. And how can I enjoy poverty if…
Since you’re an Aquino apologist yourself, you won’t get it because you will all go “who cares? At least it’s not Marcos lol.”
TROLLFAG.
Another lame attempt using Confirmation Bias especially when it pertains to the Marcoses.
Offshore accounts are not necessarily illegal.
@ WR , they are when the money was stolen and put there to avoid being taken back, ya fuckin idiot.
And then be plundered by our own trapos. Or maybe you’re just a bigger idiot, aren’t you?
Baaaw denying much idiot aquino follower? You are indeed like this pilot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOnafLpIPyk
Do you have any evidence of these so-called “stolen money” or just riding the bandwagon. There’s no need for you to be so stressed out.
all you have to do is watch the interviews with Imelda,ON YOU TUBE, SHE ADMITS IT….YOU GUYS AE IDIOTS, acting as if FM DID NOT ROB THE COUNTRY BLIND, LOL!
@U GOT NOTHIN
Nah, I’d rather hear court cases.
And yet there was an interview with Mel Tiangco that Imelda states that the money was for “the Filipino people”. Oh yeah, the Yellow, including you, would never listen so order to continue your own hissy fits and propaganda.
Hate to break it to ya, but don’t you even know that the Aquino-Cojuangcos and their cronyism, took advantage on the 1987 Constitution that they rob the public BLIND FOR OVER 30 YEARS? And their best crime is to convince everyone that everything is better after 1986, Cory is a saint, and Noynoy is a capable leader than the crook Marcos.
And please before you laugh, don’t ever complain when you choke on your own tears.
I’ve been wondering if marcos’ will dictates (excuse the pun) that he is to be buried in lb, before his full wealth that is alleged to be worth a trillion dollars could finally be shared to the Filipino people.
I heard that one. Hmm, no wonder some want the burial to happen. However, I’d take this with a grain of salt.
For what I’ve read, Marcos wants to give his 90% of their wealth thru a foundation. And he also wanted to return to the Philippines in order to die and be buried beside his mother. The man who heard those words from the dying Marcos is none other than the late Salvador Laurel
And then, came Cory Aquino. Yes, she screwed it up. All of it.
So are u suggesting she stole all that money and not marcos?
I fail to see your point.
By the way corey was be far the second worse president of the philippines.
But to suggest that it was her fault marcos did not return the wealth of the filipinos is pretty far fetched and reaching.
He should of donated it all as a goodwill gesture.
Not held it for ransom to get his way like a dictaor thieving scum.
You get the point?
Or did u fail to see it through your marcos loving eyes?
He cared so much about the filipino people he put them in martial law for ten years, plundered the country then tried to use it as a bargaining chip to be buried next to his mum?
Yeah.
Your reasoning skills are not really up to par now are they buddy?
I think your clueless due your EMOness and and grasping on straws and such.
In case you don’t notice, the money that Marcos allegedly stole is nothing compared after 1986. Smuggling alone in the last 5 years is in the trillions. That is totally controlled by one KKK who was then sitting in the Palace. Just a conservative ad valorem of 10%, that is already 100 billion of taxes gone. I am talking very conservatively.
Actually, there are already estimates that show corruption in the 30 years after 1986 is five times the 20 years prior to 1986.
In addition, FM from Hawaii kept sending emissaries, and continuously at that, to Cory. The emissaries had only one message: he was willing to face the accusations in the courts. If Cory agreed we probably would have a clearer picture of what they call the “ill gotten wealth”, or maybe not. But, it would probably have been a better, if not the best, effort, instead of shuffling today through the mountain of papers that a dead person could no longer explain. This is now water under bridge because we now understand Cory operated under fear and hatred of Marcos. But with that mistake, which really shows her lack of responsibility to the people and which made things difficult thereafter, the Yellows would now say: “why are you making things difficult, Marcoses?” But, it is the Yellows who made, and are making, things difficult. So, WHY IS THAT???
BTW, you even fail to see that Doy Laurel himself was there when Marcos said those things. Hate to break it you, but you totally fail to see it through your hate-inducing eyes. That’s not how it works, son.
And yeah, Marcos never cared so much that he will allow Communists to take over the country had he not put Martial law and thinking about he’s the only plunderer this country have? Yeah.
Also, when does one-sided pricks have an inkling about reasoning skills anyway?
Unfortunately for you, DIO has a point:
ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1036706
Read and weep.
She IS the worst president of the Philippines. That is due to the fact that she was an inefficient leader to boot.
According to the authored book of Mr. Ceclio Arillo, “Greed and Betrayal” Cory Aquino governed like a dictator, worse than Marcos. Cory Aquino’s spending appetite might have been buried by her propagandist, including most of the media or journalist idolaters. Massacred picketers of Hacienda Luisita Farmers in 1987 (Marcos never did anything like it) victims have no justice to these days. One term Cory Aquino spent 1.6 trillion, while Marcos as leader for 20-21 years spent 484 billion pesos. Killed journalist under Aquino,34, under Marcos for 20 years, 32. Sickening to learn that she imprisoned those people who gave her the crown, as accidental president. What was the legacy of Cory Aquino? I think she did a big favor to her oligarchs family and friends, spiraled down the Phil. economy and worsened the quality of life of Filipinos, Destroyed the country, for now followed through the disciplined of the people in place after Martial law, including Green Revolution, etc.
There are GLOBAL FREEZE orders on all assets of the Marcoses acquired prior to 1986 not only coming from the PHL and that international Anti-Money Laundering body based in Paris, but also by the US, as they have done on the Shah of Iran, etc etc, or are you ignorant about this?. And those orders have NOT been lifted; so, how can the Marcoses be in control of so called wealth? But, you seem to know some billions the Marcoses are hiding in their garage, this or that warehouse, this or that bank, but you don’t want to spell them out; WHY IS THAT???
Cory and Jovy Salonga hired some of the best bounty hunters in the world with the suspicion that FM hid his bank accounts under fictitious names, but PCGG has not been open how much these experts recovered and what was the ROI of these projects. WHY IS THAT???
The PCGG have been hiring many legal experts, and they come and go. Some time in the 90s, there were news coming out that some of these legal minds have suddenly had the financial capacities to build mansions in Alabang and other exclusives enclaves. An investigation was initiated, but soon everybody, including the media, forgot about this. WHY IS THAT???
Of course, what has been plundered has to returned!! An agency, an ENTIRE agency, has been created SPECIFIC just for the Marcoses, and not for other alleged plunderers. But, where is the performance HISTORY of PCGG? Why have they not been explicit about this? And you want the assets returned to a body that has not been that opened and honest to the public??? WHY IS THAT???
PCGG claims to have recovered four billion Dollars. Why has not one of Martial Law victims been paid even if the government already has this much money under their control. WHY IS THAT???
Most of these four billion were recovered in the 90s. The #NeverAgain keep on recycling the stories, as if it was the PNoy admin who did the job. WHY IS THAT???
They claim six billion Dollars are still to be recovered. What is the basis of this estimate? They must have a basis, and with the global freeze still holding, the whole system is very much stacked AGAINST the Marcoses. So, why have they not recovered them after 30 years, YES AFTER fucking LONG 30 years. It must therefore be a complicated legal matter. And your simple mind think it is a simple matter. WHY IS THAT???
FM from Hawaii kept sending emissaries, and continuously at that, to Cory. The emissaries had only one message: he was willing to face the accusations in the courts. If Cory agreed we probably would have a clearer picture of what they call the “ill gotten wealth”, or maybe not. But, it would probably have been a better, if not the best, effort, instead of shuffling today through the mountain of papers that a dead person could no longer explain. This is now water under bridge because we now understand Cory operated under fear and hatred of Marcos. But with that mistake, which really shows her lack of responsibility to the people and which made things difficult thereafter, the Yellows would now say: “why are you making things difficult, Marcoses?” But, it is the Yellows who made, and are making, things difficult. So, WHY IS THAT???
For propaganda purposes??? But with that, the Yellows are instead trumpeting their failures in the last 30 years. So, WHY IS THAT???
If FM was really that evil as they want to portray him, would he pass on such assets to his family whose members would be the very first ones to be investigated? They better be consistent, is he so evil or not? If FM is really that manipulative, then the wealth must be with cronies, isn’t it? So far, they got some from the Benedictos, Disinis, etc, and Security Bank, Allied Bank, etc., but not much more from Danding, JPE, etc. Why has the effort stopped? Is it because the Yellows are now in bed with these very cronies? Some say there is no way to recover now these wealth because EDSA1 has basically released the cronies from their responsibilities and accountabilities to FM. WHY IS THAT???
The experts now embedded with the Yellows probably know that people are barking on wrong tree by attacking the Marcoses: “return the money”. Why not also: “CRONIES, return the money!!” ??? WHY IS THAT???
Marcoses keep on asking why. They keep on saying they have so far complied with ALL final and executory rulings from the courts, but the NeverAgain will not listen. WHY IS THAT???
Are the Yellows interested in resolving the issue, or not? Is it because once it is resolved, they could no longer have their girly fits, and propaganda?? WHY IS THAT???
And, you are asking BLOGGERS to write about this so complicated a subject matter?? When no respectable legal mind has even written about this comprehensibly??? And yet, would devour and promote a book written by a crackpot?? WHY IS THAT???
Is this about covering up a more profound failure in the last 30 years??? So, they can continue with their impunity?? PNoy will leave his successor a debt of USD 130 plus Billion, of which USD about 89 Billion is directly attributable to his decisions in the last five years. ADB has already said that on CCT alone, there has been a leakage of 40%. But never mind 40% for purposes of conservative estimates, let us go just for 10%. 10% of 89 Billion is 8.9 Billion. FM left Cory USD 28 Billion debt. They claim FM got USD 10 big B. How is that possible when he had so many infrastructures in 20 years still very much unmatched in the last 30 years. Where is their estimate coming from? And you ask us to worry about a past which even lawyers and investigators are having a hard time untangling when there is an ON-GOING crime right in our time and our very eyes?? WHY IS THAT???
Im honestly at a loss that u do believe all of what you wrote.
U defend marcos at every turn.
He stole money.
He put the country in ten long years of martial law.
The people power move ent was created to get rid of him.
Why are u bringing up any other bullshit when this is discussing that he is a hero or not and derserves to be buried like one.
Do u not see how ridiculous all your crap is?
U really think all of marcos’s wealth was frozen?
Then why was the marcos’s just linked to the panama files?
Dude they pulled the wool over your eyes yet again.
The whole family are great at bullshit and you covered yourself with it and call it gold.
I am at a loss as to how your mind works.
In all honesty i have never read more drivel then your entire rants in my life.
And thats including zaxx’s zealot inspired religious tirades.
Congraulations u habe won the interent as the most brainwashed idiot on it.
Your links were all opinions by the way.
Not a single fact.
Asians and their propaganda. Lol it never ends.
No, son. I’m just doing what is right yet you’re still on crybaby mode.
That doesn’t even excuse the fact that the people after him stole even more, even bigger. And you gave them a pass? You always go “who cares? at least it’s not Marcos lol” You have to be thankful that he’s just one plunderer. Now, there are plunderers left and right, and because of what they did during those 30 years, the one so-called plunderer from 30 years ago turned into an amateur.
Man, you love to overrate stuff. You just love to overrate his atrocities yet many claimed before finding out the truth about him that his time was actually a time where society was disciplined. Two sides of the same coin. People DEMONIZE Marcos but take away what he did for the country.
They get rid of him thru EDSA 1. And then what? So another political family can take over, which they did. People uplift the humanly nice Cory and the Aquinos as DEMIGODS of the country when just as much corruption happened in her time as much as Marcos did, to go with inefficient decision making as a leader to boot.
Don’t tell that they were all linked to the money Marcos allegedly stole. If I were you, better for the lawyers to deal with that rather than to speculate. It’s a waste of time.
Oh yeah, you’re at loss about how I put things into perspective while you’re just wasting your time whining, bitching, and moaning upon your fixation on Marcos. BTW, congratulations that you won the internet as the most TROLLING point-missing faggot ever.
And how my links are opinion? Seems you’re trying to say that the conversation between Doy Laural and Marcos in Hawaii never exists? That’s borderline ridiculous.
Hate to break it to you, but you’re brainwashed in the first place. Hypocritical, isn’t it?
Aside from the fact that you try to discredit Doy Laurel’s account of his conversation with Marcos in Hawaii(it’s also fact and not opinion, as stated in his book “Neither Trumpets nor Drums”), you also try to discredit Rigoberto Tiglao’s article and label it as ‘opinion’.
No, son. They are all facts. Especially Tiglao, who was formerly a leftist and during Martial law, he was imprisoned. But instead of pinning the blame on Marcos, he writes
You can never even say that this is an opinionated piece, because he is actually there. You said that there are people you knew personally who lived during the Marcos regime. But I wanna ask this: are they really honest about what really happened?
Seems that you’re more of a liar than you try to accuse me of. I put things in perspective by looking on objective history while you just sit here whining, moaning and TROLLING on this site. That’s not how it works.
Lemme quote what Add said:
Yes now we have corruption and thievery at every level.
But the article we are commenting on is not about other people.
Nor the yellow party.
Its wether a dictator deserves a place at the cemetery of heroes.
You marcos loving bloggers keep going so far off opic to try and paint that your evil dictator was not as bad as everyone now.
Typical filipino excuses.
Its like when people say filipino are lazy but tilipino go, but africans are more lazy…somehow this justifies their own attitude or activities.
You mention two people that wrote two books.
One blamed jose ma sison.
Can not stand communism but to blame the rebels fighting against a tyrant, trying to end martial law as the cause of your peopkes deaths is so fuckng ridiculous im once again at a loss if you live in reality.
Objective history means to actually look at history ” without emotions” and read between the lines.
You are not doing that.
You are a marcos fan boy.
Also using one persons opinion( esp a filipino one) just one guy that claims somethng different to all of history you want to believeit…?
Though mutiple sources from different people, countries and beliefs say otherwise only proves you are not being objective about history.
Funny how all this ” objective history” with zero recorded fact to back ot up other than a few comments from one or two people while million of others screamed other wise( ie the peoples power movement).
The fact your philippines has so many conflicting stories, biased opinions and idol worship of the worst kind of people.
I have very serious trust in any ” objective history” of the dictator fm or his entire family when it comes out of the mouth of fanboy filipino bloggers who do not realize that one persons opinion written in a book to sell money does not constitute a fact.
I do not care about the marcos money.
In any other country if that shit happened thier entire family would never hold political office ever again as they are all implicated in criminal activity by continuing to live of the benefits of crime.
But not in the failipinines.
This article is not about the people that came after for 30 years that sucked ass too( noone to blame but ourselves for putting up with it).
This is more to do with the intellectual dishonesty of painting marcos as a wronged good guy when history books and thpusands of recorded accounts tell us he was not.
Including many filipinos still living that lived through it.
One or two accounts stating otherwise does not make objective history.
It makes it a conspiracy theory.
A very very very weak one when the facts can be easily found across numerous different sources.
You make me sick.
Done arguing with yoj.
@ Voice of Reason, yes I agree with you !! BUT these morons don’t make me sick, they can not negatively affect me ! BUT THEY DO MAKE ME LAUGH at what shitheads they are.
Wrong, son. YOU’RE LAUGHING AT YOURSELF since deep on the inside, you’re shithead who loves to choke on his own tears. Go figure, fam.
No, no, no. Point freakin’ missed.
Congratulations that you exposed your own idiocy since you’re the one who is circlejerking here with your own brand of hearsay and LOL Evil Marcos. You’re totally ridiculous to begin with, you know that?
I already did objective history. You’re aren’t even objective to begin with due to your anti-Marcos bias and now you also expressed support to the NPA and Communists rebels? Thinking of it, even Joma Sison stated that Ninoy Aquino was connected with everyone, including Reds. Try to topple the dictator and replace another dictatorship (Communist, that is) if we follow your logic.
Wow, you proved your own idiocy once again by discrediting Rigoberto Tiglao. How can you say that his piece is an opinion if he is already there during Martial law? About Cecilio Arillo’s “Greed and Betrayal”, it is no opinion either due to the fact that he’s an investigative journalist. Salvador Laurel’s account, as recorded in his book is opinion either. You treat every source that oppose Marcos are considered ‘fact’, and that is the problem. Most of the people that you know who lived thru Martial law and joined the farce known as ‘People Power Movement’? That movement became a joke itself if you try to focus on the aftermath of it. Some of them are composed of opportunists and even hecklers. Not to mention that those who were part of EDSA 1 are just 2% of the population, most of them are ‘hakot’ crowds. So the People Power Movement, who toppled down the dictator, also paved the way to another dictatorship: a dictatorship hiding under the shadows of democracy that lasts for 30 years. Or maybe you’re too dumb to realize it.
You said you didn’t care about Marcos money yet you overrate it that much while you keep on saying that he stole money w/o even realizing that the people after him stole even more. And unfortunately, you’re also presenting your own intellectual dishonesty that with all the history books and accounts that were recording, you forgot 2 things: the notion that history can be biased, and the notion that “history is written by the victor”. Never of these sources didn’t even look on objective history so they use things like appeal to the emotions and creative writing just to sway the people. And you are already swayed because of it.
Why not? Because that will you allow to look on the other side of the story. I prefer to do that because in every numerous different sources, there is always a conspiracy theory. And the facts your talking about? Most of the numerous sources you’re referring to can all be biased. If I want to look on facts, it’s best to look on both sides rather to focus only on one side. That’s how I do things and unfortunately, most of your comments are EMO-ridden. No joke.
Upon your last sentence, I hope that you’re done. Because unless you take off your anti-Marcos glasses, you will never see what’s going on. Your arguments are very, very weak to begin with since you can’t even admit your own biases. You’re just butthurt that there is someone here who debunks your claim. Just because someone who had a neutral POV makes me a Marcos supporter? Lel.
Your about as neutral and unbiased as water isn’t wet.
Done arguing with you be ause the problem with idiots is the do not even realize they are one.
You just claimed i was a communist supporter when i clearly pointed out i was not.
Honestly there is so much dishonesty and out right lies in your rants, im surprised you take yourself seriously.
Is this articke about the yellow party or the communist party being buried in the crmetary of heroes???
No.
No it is not so why bring up u realted junk….?
One dimeninsional pinoy.
Dont you have a trike to pedal today?
At the beginning, you’re just wasting your time so you spend the whole day TROLLING and nothing else.
You weren’t a Communist supporter yet you even said this:
Actually, you didn’t even care if it’s NPA for as long as it topples down Marcos, you’re fine with it. So don’t blame if I brand you as such. You’re just proving further that Ninoy Aquino is a political opportunist.
Hate to tell you, but you also have a share of dishonesty and your own lies so you totally rely on the ‘appeal to the emotions’ shit. That’s not gonna work on me. It’s not surprising that you also live in your own ignorance.
And about this article, is it better if he should be buried as a soldier? Too bad you’re so fixated about the bad side of Marcos as opposed to us who look on both sides.
One sided hypocritical faggot. You’re one dimensional yourself. Don’t you have a paycheck today?
No. My businesses basically run themselves.
I onlh make appearances for show.
I was not siding woth communism at all.
I was pointing out the intellectual dishonesty of blaiming the leader of the communism regime for fighting against martial law.
Not sure how aquino yet again enters into a discussion on wether or not fm should be buried as a hero or the warlord tyrant he was but hey, you marcos fanboys have not been knkwn for your rational critical thinking.
Calling me a faggot once again.
Dude u r on the wrong side of history and, perhaps you did not get the memo.
Bigotry kinda stopped being fashionable at the turn of the century.
Do u have a problem against gays or just your so homophobic you have to attack anyone u disagree with such a uncultured term.
Im guessing your one of those people that think encouraging vigilante justice and murder without due process is a fantastic concept….
Kill em all let god sort em out…right?
Hilarious.
He was not implying that at all, as the article is not about who came after the marcos family, but about THE marcos family.
How much are u paid to be their online troller?
Nice strawman argument.
What I’m pointing is that the Communist insurgency happened during his second term. 2 years prior to 1972 the height of the Communist insurgency reached its peak during the First Quarter Storm. Then two years after that event, 1972 came and Martial law was declared.
For the record, because Ninoy, thanks to the Yellows, was hailed as a ‘hero’. I was wondering why he wasn’t even buried at the Libingan ng mga Bayan if he was actually a hero. Since Marcos is a former soldier, then why not? But hey, you anti-Marcos emotards aren’t even capable of rational critical thinking either so stop pretending being one.
Fam, what if I tell you that I’m just between the middle and not on the wrong side while you keep on ignoring the “history is written by the victor”?
On your last paragraph: it’s more hilarious since your argument is a lame one. I ain’t endorsing vigilante justice, though. Yet you’re fine about setting aside due process just to jail your own enemies suspected with corruption, just like what Noynoy Aquino did during the last 6 years. And here’s the funny part: you’re preferring the rights of criminals rather than the rights of the people. Isn’t that right?
Hilarious.
SO WHAT, THE ARTICLE IS ABOUT FERDINAND MARCOS, THE THIEF !!! AND HIS SCUMBAG FAMILY.OR ARE YOU INCAPABLE OF UNDERSTANDING THAT? OH WAIT YOU ARE INCAPABLE OF UNDERSTANDING. WHATTA SHITHEAD !!!
>>implying the people after him are not thieves.
We got a closet shithead here, folks.
He was not implying that at all, as the article is not about who came after the marcos family, but about THE marcos family.
How much are u paid to be their online troller?
Says the actual online troller who thinks that every is better after 1986 and still believes that it’s true, which is not.
Unfortunately for ya, I’m not just pointing on Marcos but on EVERYONE. You’re just fixated on Marcos only and that’s it, no matter what the article is.
And please, you’re more of an online troller due to your one-sided faggotry. Crying out things like bigotry is just no different to the filthy SJWs lurking on Tumblr. Does that ring a bell to you?
Honestly this article says it all
http://www.rappler.com/thought-leaders/135054-pro-marcos-propaganda-too-hip-for-own-good
@VoiceoftheYellowtards:
Honestly, you exposed your own stupidity. As if Crappler, er, Rappshit, ehem, Crappler is a credible source w/o even realizing that it was a Yellow media outlet not only known for its bias but also known for its sycophantic journalism.
If you want to shoot yourself in the foot, please make sure that everyone should never see it.
Yeah of u do not agree with us uninformed, midinformed fliptards then you must be with the yellow party.
I asked for facts.
None were supplied.
Just anticdotes from questionable sources.
Atleast rappler has enough journalistic integrity to cite it sources and have legitment ones.
Enjoy your low iq circle jerk.
I think u guys will enjoy martial law.
Because people that do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Coming to a Philippines near you.
I am so glad i am not you.
You have a rude awakening or realism coming straight for you.
Pls insults now…
As u have been found wanting.
i feel like i need a frontal lobotomy to conme down to your intellectual level of incompetence.
You didn’t even ask for facts; you’re just asking for ‘facts’ that is fitting for your tastes. Not facts that are unbiased, unadulterated. I have all.
You showed your own intellectual level of incompetence by clinging to Crappler, ehem, Rappler while ignoring about their background and their own series of biases. Journalistic integrity, my ass. News flash: people like Rigoberto Tiglao, Alex Magno, Bono Adaza, Kit Tatad, and even Teddy Locsin, Jr. have more ‘journalistic integrity than Maria Ressa should ever been. Isn’t that hard to understand?
Son, seems you have a lower IQ even more due to youe emo-inducing comments and it seems you’re enjoying the continuous downward spiral of the Philippines that began in 1986 and since you have this inducing of hatred of Marcos like the Yellows always do, you’re just fine on remaining the status quo. Because every argument you’ve said translates to “who cares? At least it wasn’t Marcos lol”
And thanks for proving to me that you keep on dwelling on your own ignorance. You keep on stating “Martial law is all bad” w/o citing anything constructive about it. What about the people who really had a good life during those dark days? Are you now calling them idiots or Marcos apologists as well? I’m just in the middle of the line so I know what I am really saying.
I think you’re fine about what the Aquinos, Cojuangcos, and their oligarch allies about the deterioration of this country for so long that you never took an inkling of it. That quote of yours was said by George Santayana, who also said this:
“History is a pack of lies about events that never happened told by people who weren’t there.”
Sad to say, this new anti-Marcos movement is proving Santayana correct.
Maria resa wrote the article i posted?
When did she turn into someone else?
So it turns out that the writer of the article is another crook named Lisandro “Leloy” Claudio. In case you don’t notice, that guy is a staunch Aquino follower, an anti-Marcos douche, and a leftist prick (he’s a member of Akbayan). And guess what, he’s just as biased as every Pinoy historian in existence.
A Flipino historian from the US exposed his inaccuracies and blunders:
http://www.flippinflips.org/#!PART-1-Exposing-the-BULLSHIT-of-GMA7-Severino-and-Dr-Lisandro-Claudio-about-Martial-Law/cyyj/56ca7cf10cf2d76542b5a240
Oh yeah, since Maria Ressa is the CEO of cRappler, she accepts these kinds of articles. You have no idea how much sensationalized media is in the Philippines. And now you expect to believe from a biased, leftist historian? You just frequently exposed yourself, fam. You’re no different than the Yellowtards lurking and trolling on this page.
This puts anything cRappler puts out straight to the garbage bin. From a Martial Law “victim” to boot:
http://www.manilatimes.net/why-not-ask-ramos-and-enrile-about-martial-law-abuses/247486/
So enough of the histrionics. PNoy cant even go after the ones who killed his father despite the awesome power of the office of the president. Historical revisionism? Fair enough. But who’s doing it? Aquinos or Marcoses? There lies the question. =) Cheers.
He even made himself an idiot by calling that Manila Times article as an ‘opinion’ piece. Seems he have never heard about who Rigoberto Tiglao is. That man lived during Martial law. And explained his side of the story.
Well what can you do? We can’t change the guy’s mind anymore than he can change ours. It’s just a game of ‘I told you sos” that we’re playing, that’s all. He in his side of the board, and we on ours. =) That’s it. But he’s still welcome to spew his moronism on this page to his heart’s content.
if he went after the people who killed his father he would have the USA military bombing the Palais you idiot.
And I love you too. =)
Say not in grief: “He is no more”, but live in thankfulness that he was.
Sheesh you yellowturds are as desperate as those minions of bin laden. You love to accuse us and this site as pro-marcos then? Well now, you bitches are drug users do you?
What would a reasonable president have done at the time of multiple insurgencies and widespread criminality? Is it the sole decision of the president if he is to declare martial law or does he have to consult with gov’t for its prescription? Would there be collateral damage from martial law being carried out? Who are those that gained advantage from the ousting of former Pres. Marcos? Is it the “taongbayan”?
One could even argue that former President FEM was capable of more wealth than the country had at the time. But of course we’re not obliged to reveal our sources.
The noisiest ones about the “evils” of that era are those who did not even live through it. So yeah, we can use that “you were not there” bullshit argument they like to throw around as well. Because if the likes of Tiglao, Alex Magno et al (not to mention a few million others who actually lived during and liked the era for whatever reason) — people who actually fought during that time — can have a different and lucid perspective than the baying dogs who keep on harping about the supposed evil of the Marcoses and the saintly virtues of the “Saviors of democracy” Aquinos, then maybe “historical revisionism” is really in the works.
Let us allow Marcos to rest in peace as we allow the Yellow Party to go away in peace.
Make no mistake, the yellow did not topple Marcos, the US/CIA did kidnapped Marcos and left malakanyang open for the rampaging marauders.
FM finally being buried in Libingan ng mga Bayani, BS Aquino no longer holding a position in the high government same as BBM (for now but he still has a fight to continue against electoral fraud, a fight on putting an end to electoral cheating), and the rule of law being upholded by SC by trashing SOCE extension which will put the yellows out of government could be the beginning of an end to an era that keeps the people in mediocre focus and superficial work for real progress. A DU30 government is refreshing as he meant to put an end to the things that prevents the people’s mind on moving forward. Like he said, FM’s burial left hanging will remain a divisive factor in our society.
Also, what can a dead person do that people chose to bury their active existence with it? PDU30 or the lawmakers should just have the name changed to Filipino Soldiers Memorial because people put much weight in the title “Bayani” which for them complicate matters. Geez whiz. Haven’t they heard of everyday heroes?
FERDINAND MARCOS is not entitled to be buried in the HEROES CEMETERY. It is MANDATED that those buried there MUST NOT VIOLATE ANY OF THE CEMETERY’S BURIAL REGULATIONS, INCLUDING MORAL TURPITUDE.
HE and CRONIES are THIEVES, MURDERERS, TORTURERS, RAPIST and other OFFENSES which MAKES HIM INELIGIBLE TO BE BURIED WITH HONORABLE PEOPLE. HE VIOLATED THE CEMETERY’S MORAL TURPITUDE REQUIREMENT.
HE IS A THIEF and NOT A HERO.
Your usage of caps locks shows how much of a DEMENTED and OBSOLETE creature you are.
Pro-Aquino cretins like yourself should be DELETED.
Ferdinand Marcos is a former soldier, so why not?
In case you don’t notice, you’re one of the fags who believes that everything is better after 1986 and always turn a blind eye on his successor which they did it 10 times even worse? Oh you will go “Who cares? At least it’s not Marcos lol”. It is hilarious to think that gullible fools like yourself still exists. And since Yellow Zombies are known for their hit-and-run tactics like the cowards they are, I expect you will do the same thing.
If you try to say that Aquinos are heroes (which in reality, are also THIEVES), then three words, son…
UR A FAGET
For a FAG like yourself, you should need to know this:
30 years ago, there was just one plunderer. Today, there are plunderers left and right that if you total what has been plundered for 30 years, that one plunderer 30 years ago now looks like an amateur. The national budget during the military rule looks like peanuts now compared to the three Trillion budget of today. And yet, they trumpet that Yellows are of Daan Matuwid. Indeed, a lie that is repeated often enough becomes a truth.
President Duterte’s decision to let former Pres. Marcos be burried at the LNB is the right move,I do believed that Marcos is the only President who has many achievements that until now it’s still existing that Filipino people are benefitted from it and it is sad to say why there are some die hard Aquino’s followers who doesn’t open their eyes w/ the fact!