Apologists among the mob who have been campaigning for the ouster of Supreme Court Chief Justice Renato Corona now seem to be getting really desperate — desperate enough to question the very manner with which Senate President Juan Ponce Enrile is conducting the Senate trial. A certain Floren Hilbay, for example, writing for the Inquirer.net is now lamenting the way the impeachment process has been “judicialized”, that is, he now sees the way the proceedings are regarded as “akin to a criminal trial” (i.e. based on a rigorous evaluation of evidence and logical argument) as being a “problem”. Hilbay, it seems, prefers to see the impeachment court trying Corona as one that the prosecution has taken great pains to deny that it is, a court of public opinion…
Here is the lament of Hilbay…
One sense of the word “political” when used to describe an impeachment is that our senator-judges are not checked by a judicial institution such as the Supreme Court but are instead constrained by the force of public opinion. Precisely because it is the people who will ultimately judge our senator-judges, it is imperative that the people be able to understand this trial without submitting themselves to the mercy of so-called legal experts. The first week of trial indubitably shows that the attention of the public was diverted from the merits of the case to the undeniable brilliance and wit of former Justice Serafin Cuevas, the difficulties of the prosecution panel, and the star quality of Representatives Miro Quimbo and Sonny Angara, and defense spokesperson Karen Jimeno.
The irony in Hilbay’s lament seems to fly way above his pointed head. If he will take the time to review the history of how this whole impeachment circus came about, he will find that the very tactics he now accuses the defense team of employing in this battle — including capitalisation of their now very evident “star quality” (Hilbay’s own words) — were first used by the pro-impeachment mob over many months in the lead up to the trial. Indeed, the prosecution had a huge headstart to the trial-by-publicity. This months-long headstart dwarfs the mere two weeks that it took for Corona defense chief Serafin Cuevas’s brilliance and wit to resonate among his now numerous fans and the glamour and class of his spokespersons to register a big fat blip on the media radar.
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We should take the time to absorb the true historical significance of this show, as it is a rare instance of substance winning mightily on the home court of the vacuous.
Compare the awesome resources brought to bear by the Mob who campaigned for the demonisation of Corona over the last several months. Two of the biggest media outlets in the country, the Philippine Daily Inquirer and the ABS-CBN Network, benefited immensely from the rise to power of the late former President Corazon “Cory” Aquino and, as a result, owe the Aquino-Cojuangco feudal clan big time. It’s called utang na loob (literally “debt coming from the inside”) in the vernacular and now the government of the Son-of-Cory, President Benigno “Noynoy” Aquino III, has come to collect — big time. It was (and continues to be) a full-court-press engineered to pre-judge Corona.
One of the biggest talents of ABS-CBN, presidential sister Kris Aquino has leaned the full weight of her star power upon the scales of justice in favour of the Mob…
In a television interview during a show on Vice Ganda, Kris once again tried to appeal to the people’s emotion by saying that “her family needs the vote of Senator Miriam Defensor-Santiago in the impeachment case of Chief Justice Renato Corona.”
And in defiance of repeated warnings coming from Senate President Juan Ponce Enrile, the prosecution team blatantly mounted a sustained media blitz against Corona during the lead-up to the trial, showcasing “evidence” of the Chief Justice’s alleged “ill-gotten wealth” to the starry-eyed public…
Some rational members of society including Senator Juan Ponce Enrile, already warned [Iloilo Representative Niel] Tupas against his penchant for rabidly announcing to the media what should only be discussed during the impeachment process. Enrile even went as far as telling Tupas to go back to school:
“Kung gusto nilang litisin yung kaso sa labas ng impeachment court e di i-withdraw nila yung kaso at isiwalat nila sa buong mundo yung gusto nilang ebidensya (If they want to try the case outside the impeachment court, then they should withdraw the case and expose whatever evidence they want to the entire world),” he said in a phone interview on Thursday.
Enrile said he would be ‘very lenient’ to the prosecution team but warned that the impeachment court could cite them in contempt for presenting to a press conference documents pertaining to a high-end apartment in Taguig City that was allegedly owned by Corona.
Enrile specifically trained his gun at the chief prosecutor, Iloilo Representative Niel Tupas Jr., who made public disclosure of the documents against Corona.
“Sabihin mo kay Cong. Tupas mag aral muna sya (Tell Cong. Tupas to study the rules),” said the Senate leader when told of the lawmaker’s remark that he had not violated the impeachment rules.
Preemptory language of Rule XVIII of the Rules of Procedure on Impeachment Trials states that the presiding officer and the members of the Senate “shall refrain from making any comments and disclosures in public pertaining to the merits of a pending impeachment trial.” The said rule applies to the prosecutors, to the person impeached and to their respective counsels and witnesses.
At the very bottom of the food chain, there is also the two-bit “investigative reporting” of small-fry reporters like Raissa Robles and Marites Vitug who published “shocking” exposés on Corona’s wife’s so-called “conflicts of interest” and the “outrage” surrounding the University of Santo Tomas (UST) awarding Mr Corona academic credentials under supposedly inappropriate circumstances.
Most poignant of all is how Hilbay laments how “Judicialization disempowers our senators, most of whom are not lawyers. Our 12 non-lawyer senators may be both wise and shrewd, but the proceedings may as well be conducted in elvish to them. This is unfortunate as it prevents them from fully grasping the details of what is going on and severely impairs their ability to participate.”
Well that’s just tough luck now, isn’t it? I recall someone wondering out loud why Senator Lito Lapid was even given a microphone considering he is not much of a talker and more the action star. As I stated earlier, “we may be privileged to be witness to a seminal exercise that could herald the dawn of the glory days of the Philippine Senate”. Indeed, perhaps the Senate, under the stewardship of brilliant statesman Juan Ponce Enrile is in the throes of an opportunity to shed its reputation as a retirement village for has-been celebrities and greedy carpetbaggers whose only qualifications are popularity.
It seems, the Yellow Mob is being beaten at their own game on their own court. And no amount of traditional jologry will outshine the understated class of substance.
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Mhrap tlga kapag nsa panig ka ng masama at makasalanan. Tulungan nyo nlang si Tito Noy hbang maaga pa dhl gnagawa nya lang ang pangako at tungkulin nyang alisin ang korupsyon.
o rly?
Peanoy, In His Own Words: You Be the Judge
please explain, vincenzo.
That’s nice, but you forget you’re dealing with a guy who routinely fails the “How many fingers am I holding up?” quiz.
too funny, benk! this made my day. 😀
Nice one BenK, you just scored a Godlike streak of counter trolling vincenzo!
Hindi naman niya talaga tinutupad ang pangako niya e. Kung totoong ginagawa niya yun, wala dapat double standard. Kung may malala na pagkakamali, dapat sibakin sa pwesto at palitan. Hirap lang sa iyo Vincenzo, hindi mo maintindihan ang bagay na yun. Sobra mo tingin na santo at sobra asa tama si PNOY pero may mali siyang ginagawa at di mo ito pinapansin. Kung gusto mo patas, dapat punahin mo din ang pagkukulang ni PNOY.
tsk tsk tsk, your puny brain still seems to have a really hard time accepting the fact that the defense team has got your precious prosecution by the BALLS.
It is only a matter of time before the defense GROUND AND POUND your prosecution and force them to TAP OUT.
@Nutzi Vincenzo
See a good priest Vincenzo. You judged(as bad and sinful) without identifying names, groups or associations. Your Tto Noy sure manipulated and brainwashed your mind. You need immediate spiritual counselling as you are really confused. Confused about good being evil and evil being good.
Sandali, the truth is why would we waste time for nutjob schizophrenic leader like Nonoy?
Oh yeah, he’s also corrupt. So you call his bribery ‘good governance’? Just look on how the congressmen respond that leade to Corona’s impeachment.
Ba’t unavailable ang antipinoy na website?
Abnoy is a lazy student of Ateneo. He didnt even pass a bill when he was lawmaker. He and promiscuous kris don’t deserve to be presidents.
With this presstitute Hilbay, I’m reminded of the chess as a sport. There was a time that this royal game is always showered with gold by the spectators for the display of brilliant moves by the opposing players. Almost every game has it’s brilliancy award.
In present time, these players don’t play the game with the assumption that he is the only one who knows those brilliant moves.
There is no surprise move anymore.
He is playing the game with his assumption that his adversary will know his every move.
The one who first commit the first mistake suffers the consequence.
Hilbay is an idiot who happens to know how to write.
Another example of how Penoy’s ass lickers’ minds work.
very eloquent summation.
all the pre-fight posturing has so far shown the prosecution to be all mouth and no trousers.
unless there is any significant change/revelations this coming week, then they will have already landed their best shot up front with no damage done, and they will be massacred from then on, both legally and publically. even the snake in the grass sereno will crawl away from giving evidence
Red Alert:
I read Manila Standard online today. CPP founding chair Jose Maria Sison is now denying the secret coalition power sharing and a cabinet post being offered to him. Funny how he is like Mr. Aquino in blaming personalities of sowing intrigue identified with the previous regime. What GMA is involved again? Unbelievable!
Sison identified Norberto Gonzales, ANAD party list rep. Jun Alcover and retired General Jovito Palparan. What is really funny in his comic denial is his apparent defense of Mr. Aquino.
Please see the following and connect the dots:
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/52487/communist-rebels-see-opening-for-stalled-talks
http://globalbalita.com/2011/a-coalition-government-in-the-offing-again/
Why am I worried? The Communist Party of the Philippines, New People’s Army(CPP-NPA) have secret talks on coalition power sharing. On the other hand, the Moro Islamic Liberation Front(MILF) also had talks in Tokyo,Japan. This is still secret.
The CPP-NPA has a tactical alliance with the MILF in Mindanao. What is the dictator Aquino up to? I thought the Sovereign Filipino People are supposed to be the boss? Should Plan B succeed and all three branches of government become subservient to him… Will he allow power sharing, infiltration and integration of communists into the government, AFP and PNP? What is to stop him from signing away an Islamic State for the MILF in Mindanao and parts(or the whole) of Palawan?
By the way, the so-called “all out justice” (seen as all out peace) is continuing with virtually no progress in Mindanao.Perhaps Mr. Aquino is too distracted with his perceived political enemies. The MILF have a lot of base camp infrastructure also occupying “MILF territory.” Why is Mr. Aquino sleeping on his job and his oath to defend and protect the constitution? Why is Philippine territory being allowed to be occupied by enemies of the state?
Professor Florin Hilbay:
“we might soon find ourselves the biggest fans of Cuevas, but nonetheless abysmally ignorant of the truth . . .”
The above statement reminded me of LA lawyer the late Johnnie Cochran, who successfully defended OJ Simpson of murder charges, and his famous quote: ‘if the glove doesn’t fit, you must acquit.’
I think the Congressmen-Prosecutors believe that the strongest among the charges is Article 2: non-declaration of SALN; with intent to push the envelope to accusations of ill-gotten wealth.
So, with the Senator-Jurors, will it be: if the SALNs and tax returns fit, they should acquit.
My favorite Senator of the Republic, newly elected judge of the International Criminal Court, Sen. Miriam Defensor-Santiago, has spoken:
The Impeachment is both quasi-political and quasi-judicial process. It is ALMOST, but not EXACTLY the same. Show us “OVERWHELMING preponderance of evidence. To which he asks Rep-Prosecutor Tupas: how many witnesses will you present?
To which Sir Knight Neil Tupas responds: not sure.
If you ask me, Back to SQUARE ONE.
That is the type of mediocrity most Filipinos look up to. Akala mo kung sino umasta sa courtroom.
Agree!
As Father Ranhilio C. Aquino pointed out in the Manila Standard today, “one has to look up legal encyclopedias like American Jurisprudence 2d or California Jurisprudence 3d to find useful entries on impeachment under ‘Public Officers, etc.’-reasonably characterizes impeachment cases as penal in complexion and character.”
I could say that substantive and procedural due process(under the Philippine Constitution) is a sine qua non requirement in all proceedings including impeachment.
Why many ignorant, gullible or Aquino idols equate impeachment as a political exercise connected to public opinion is deliberate disinformation. We are a rule of laws and not of men. To say otherwise would promote the rule of the mob. I am sure the dictator Mr. Aquino does not like a people’s kangaroo court used against him or his KKK later on. All this because of his evil examples.
I agree Der Fuhrer. If that is the way they really want things don’t, they shouldn’t even bother kidding themselves calling it a trial, and it a court. I think they have this jaded perception wherein the quickest way to solve things is to dial a hotline to vote… THIS IS…. THE PHILIPPINE CJ!!! Cast your votes now on 1800-######001 for convict, 1800-######002 for acquit. Vote now as this is not a court of law, but of men. The most popular contest in the land. And now as we wait, a word from our sponsors…. (Themsong of ABS CBN playing in the background as an add for HL is showing) hehe! What a way to show their true colors right? =)
Cheers!
Exactly, as Enrile himself said…
They should’ve just gotten SWS and Pulse to act as the judges in this trial. 😀
Sin kwah no? Ano yan? Paki Tagalog nga.
To technical to translate… 🙂
How do you translate Bi-polar Disorder to Pilipino? LoL!
This should bring down the house… How do you translate “Liquid Assets” to Pilipino?
Please don’t say it. LOL!
@shimofuri
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sine_qua_non
=) Cheers!
I have my reasons for not tuning in to ABias-CBN News (including seeing the face of Tunying Taberna) and for not reading the unInquirer (including seeing the faces of Randy David and Quiros). They make me sick.
On the other hand, I also expect this cretins have their reasons for not reading Father Ranhilio’s oped or Manila Standard, Daily Tribune or even the Philstar as a whole.
Otherwise, Penoy is toasted.
Facts make them sick. As a matter of FACT, they will not cite the source of their ridiculous opinions once challenged.
They will always tell you that it is for “us” – Filipinos. Their envisioned end will justify the means. They will tell you to judge them by their intention (never mind the aftermath, of course).
They thrive on opinions (read: tsismis) and speculations (read: tsismis). As the matter of FACT, you may even feel that they can read minds and they can also see the future.
Definitions of “opinion” in the online dictionary:
opinion [əˈpɪnjən]
n
1. judgment or belief not founded on certainty or proof
2. the prevailing or popular feeling or view, public opinion
Antonym: truth, reality.
true enough…
“One sense of the word ‘political’ when used to describe an impeachment is that our senator-judges are not checked by a judicial institution such as the Supreme Court but are instead constrained by the force of public opinion. Precisely because it is the people who will ultimately judge our senator-judges …‖Hilbay
But to be “constrained by the force of public opinion†was certainly NOT what the original concept of a “well-constituted court for the trial of impeachments†was intended to perform.
For what Alexander Hamilton in The Federalist No. 65 (1788), under “Powers of the Senate,†meant when he said that impeachments “are of a nature which may with peculiar propriety be denominated POLITICAL†(caps in original), was simply in the sense that “The subjects of its jurisdiction are those offenses which proceed from the misconduct of public men, or, in other words, from the abuse or violation of some public trust.â€
Thus, to Hamilton, impeachment trials were “a method of NATIONAL INQUEST into the conduct of public men†(caps in original).
In other words, when Hamilton said that such trials “may with peculiar propriety be denominated POLITICAL,†it was simply because they are an inquest into “the conduct of public men†and their “violation of some public trust. And it is for this very reason, Hamilton stressed, that “the power of originating the inquiry, or, in other words, of preferring the impeachment, ought to be lodged in the hands of one branch of the legislative body†and that branch would “so properly be … the representatives of the nation themselves.â€
And the other branch, the Senate, Hamilton continued, would be tasked “to decide upon it.â€
Note it well, however, that the “deciders‖Members of the Senate–in the original U.S. Constitution were NOT popularly-elected; rather, U.S. Senators were “chosen by the legislature†of their respective States for a 6-year term and NOT, to repeat, directly by the people of each State, as with the State representatives.
And it is this original mode of choosing the Senators of each State who were entrusted to try and decide the fate of the impeached that Hamilton spoke highly of them:
“Where else than in the Senate could have been found a tribunal sufficiently dignified, or sufficiently independent? What other body would be likely to feel CONFIDENCE ENOUGH IN ITS OWN SITUATION, to preserve, unawed and uninfluenced, the necessary impartiality between an INDIVIDUAL accused, and the REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PEOPLE, HIS ACCUSERS?†(caps in original)
Hence, impeachment trials are “denominated POLITICAL†since the “ACCUSERS†are the representatives of the people–the POLITICIANS–and the “INDIVIDUAL accused†is a public official charged with “violation of some public trustâ€
And this, of course, means that Senators during the Corona impeachment trial should NOT be “constrained by the force of public opinion†as Hilbay suggested; instead, each one of them should aim “to preserve, unawed and uninfluenced, the necessary impartiality†befitting their role in this instance as a judge.
Great historical perspective!
rue. the 188 representatives who becomes the accusers of this trial are suspected of same ” violation of some public trust”. 185 out of 188 have not filed their SALN. Think of 15% kickback from PORK , multiply it to the 185 representatives and do the math. The accusers led by a student prosecutor Tupak are not “holier than though. Their richness being are DOUBTFUL and SUSPICIOUS.
” Violation of public trust” should be applied to everyone including Aquino whose wealth has almost tripled first year in office. The law is not prejudice. It is equal. Im hoping majority of the 24 Senators who change their roles to judges or jurors of this impeachment trial have integrity.
But with movie actors and a suspicious looking Drillon?
In the Congress; Cogressmen were bought by the Cojuangco and Aquino families…so Congressmen have five minutes deliberation…to impeach a Chief Justice of the Supreme Court…Like a Sabong Tupada. The Congressmen used sign language, and voted for the impeachment. A criminal in any country, would have a better trial than Corona had in Congress…
Now, these YellowTards, who are bent on reversing the ruling of the Cojuangco-Aquino Hacienda Luisita, are now complaining – they are bogged down in their attack on the Judiciary…
Rule of Law; and proper Court Proceedings must be observed…we are watched by other nations in this digital world…the Lust for Power of this Cojuangco-Aquino family must be stopped. They think, they own the Philippines…Let us all prove, and show to the whole world…they do not own the Philippines…we the Filipino people owns it….Remember…Freedom is not Free…you have to fight for it, nurture it, and care for it…in order to have it…we salute the Defense Team of Justice Corona…Good Job…
Future Filipino generation will be thankful to you. They will say: “These were brave men and women, who fought for righteousness against a family in power, who tried to dictate our system of government…”
People from other nations are also reading our comments on BlogSites and on FaceBook. So, write the truth, in clear and concise manner…they can easily spot a fake…They’re not Wowoowee people and YellowTards…like most of us…
It must be known however that our lawmakers were elected and thereby embody the Filipino nation. I just renounce the idea that they are bought by the Cojuanco-Aquino Family. If we will technically rely on Article II, Sec. 1 which states that “sovereignty resides on the people”, and use the rules on logic, we may infer that the Filipino people were also bought by the C-A Clan since their representatives were purchased by the said family.
Further, the impeachment court is a quasi-political court acting on a criminal case, constituting senator-judges. The influence made by the incumbent president is irrelevant,following the separation of powers among the three branches of the government and the rule on impartiality and independence by the Senate acting as a criminal court.
Yes, it is true that the world is viewing and reading about this seemingly world entertainment, next to American Idol, in our part, we must make the people of this cosmos aware of the reality that transpires in our own country, rather than sensationalizing the hearsay that we just hear from the street corners.
In the end, we are the actors of this nation, we will be judged by the world.
Remember, the best movie is the one well-directed and well-acted upon by the actors and actresses. By this, the director, the President must be seen in the light of a collaborator, orchestrator and a father not as a dictator.
last year cojuangco was in negotiations with chinas richest man and owner of wahaha who wants 6000 hectares. (it became public knowledge and things then went quiet)
? a new city/resort/gambling mecca and business capital for tarlac/philippines built by and for the chinese no doubt but with the international airport road and rail links and tourist advertising paid for by filipino tax payer.
another reason why cojuangco put his man in china as ambassador even though the guy has no diplomatic skills/experience.
its not billions at stake but hundreds of billions if a new city arises. land values and revenues would be staggering, but only when hacienda luisita decision reversed. changing use of land then would be straightforward particularly with a friendly governor – hence kris aquino running in 2013
it is a case of different people observing an event drawing varied impressions from the event colored by their biases.
GRP is biased against Congress and PNOY and their articles here are quite reflective of that bias.
here is my own bias:
http://jcc34.wordpress.com/2012/01/23/its-a-quicksand-justice-cuevas/
While this article by benign0 is biased, well i think it is the most informed as well. I am taking my stand with the defense in this issue mainly because I want to be part of the opposition to the oligarchy and evil media manipulation.
I think it all boils down to the fact that we are being duped by the media. Thankfully I am not as gullible as most of anti-Coronas and Pro-Noynoys.
And this case? The core of it all is the Hacienda Luisita. I really can imagine the Cojuangco elders singing Rick Astley’s “Never gonna give you up…”
@jcc
Splendid. You remind me of the blind folded lady justice. It’s improper to comment here. I’ll find time to comment on your blog.
@HaraKiri
I beg you not to. You, JCC, and that other simpleton commenter here are the Exhibit A of how a Penoy lapdog mind works.
The way I see it, the levelheaded commenters here will not deny their bias. And it is admirable. Rather than ABias-CBN and the unInquirer who still insist that they are fair and balanced.
They have already duped and indoctrinated a lot of simpletons and an example is my Exhibit A. Their battle cry is guilty until proven innocent.
@Trosp
– a donkey calling another donkey an ass. You don’t have to beg me not to comment on other site’s blog here. You don’t need to be a pathetic big brother to me. I have already said it’s improper. A high-profile commenter like you should have dumbly comprehended my position quickly.
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I agree that CJ has a very good defense team. A star quality as benign0 put it. All I can say is, a star is only visible when it is dark. Just before dawn is the darkest and that is where Cuevas’ team might attain full brightness. But when the light of evidences cracks in, no doubt that that the glitters will fade. What the public and a levelheaded commenter like me wants is plain and simple. CJ is being accused of ammassing ill-gotten wealth according to the components of article #2 in the articles of impeachment. Then just prove that the allegation is wrong. Miriam Santiago said that learning from the past impeachment fiasco, eventually, all evidences that will be presented will have to be accepted because after all, the public has to know. I might be envious man, but look, I earn more than 6x CJ’s salary but I can’t afford a unit at the Bellagio. Isn’t it a valid reason for me not to inquire if he is capable of paying for the properties? – in posh locations they are, hello? I have never seen any of you here – including benign0 – that upheld the position: to get rid of the doubt from people’s minds, it’s just prim and proper for the public to know that CJ is really financially capable. You don’t thumb up stealing, do you?
@harakiri
So your position is as what I have claimed, you yellow mobs’ battle cry is “guilty unless proven innocent”.
Your comment –
“What the public and a levelheaded commenter like me wants is plain and simple. CJ is being accused of ammassing ill-gotten wealth according to the components of article #2 in the articles of impeachment. Then just prove that the allegation is wrong.”
Trying hard to show us that you’re in a high moral ground.
Pwe!
these people are remarkable. they flaunt their point of views the pinnacle of objective truths and all others as rubbish!
heheheheeee… pag masyado kang believe sa sarili mo ganito ang aabutin mo.. 🙂
JCC,
I have strong contrarian views here, but talking about bias, let us not kid ourselves.
Yours and your alter ego’s bias against the Supreme Court is showing as clear as sunlight.
I remember extensive conversations in MLQ3’s blogsite (or was it FV) about a lawyer who was disbarred because of all things repossession of a superlkalan.
That was Priceless, Dude!
phil manila,
at least i said i am biased while all of you claim that you speak the objective truth..
@JCC
What you have commented is precisely the exact description of yourself (wala ka ng hahanapin pa, precise na exact pa! he he he…). That’s why someone has commented here if you have looked at yourself in a mirror.
Don’t play dumb disconjucnctive boy or you might get what you wish.
very interesting blogsite with writers and commenters flaunting their point of views as the pinnacle of objective truths and all others as rubbish…
ganito ang aabutin mo pag basa ka ng basa ng mga artikulo ni Benign0…
Somebody has to act as an effective foil to the yellow press too.
And while I have strong views myself, I do agree with Phil Manila that we cannot allow ourselves to be fooled into the herd mentality of the yellow people.
@Trosp
@harakiri
I don’t approve any proven criminality. I disapproved those who are condemning somebody based on opinion and hearsay. Not on fair trial.
During the presidential election between Cory Aquino and Makoy, this is how most of the idiot voters based their conviction –
“I won’t vote for Cory because she will just enrich herself once elected. She’ll be corrupt. I’ll vote for Makoy. He has already amassed wealth from corruption. He would not enrich himself anymore.”
Cory, as a candidate, has not committed any corruption and she was crucified already while Makoy who has been flaunting his corruption was forgiven.
That is how your mind works yellow mob.
@Harakiri
Is it too hard to refer to the accused as “the accused” and to use “allegedly” in your comments? The trial is not over yet.
Like what I’ve said to someone previously, I hope that you do not fall victim to baseless accusations of criminal activities and then find out that your reputation has already been damaged before you can defend it. But I guess being in the same position as Corona might help you appreciate the concept behind “innocent until proven guilty.”
These three highfalutin yellow mobs – JCC, Harakiri, and Vincenzo are shameless.
Just like this pompous Tupas.
Shameless!
If one’s bias or opinion says 1+1=2, while another’s bias says 1+1=5, obviously the first guy’s bias is right, while the second guy’s bias is wrong.
I’ll stick with a more informed and sensible bias.
@jcc
Truth is not biased. Promoting the dictator Aquino’s black propaganda, trial by publicity(guilty before trial), deceit, insidious methods and techniques is more than biased. It is downright immoral.Did you ever think of looking at yourself in the mirror?
good one Benigs… 🙂
@Trosp
Get Real boy! The trial is already on-going, and I myself cannot help but admire the old man Cuevas for his wit and you are still crying Not on fair trial? Give me a solid punch man and don’t nag me with your yellow mob mantra. Sour-graping doesn’t work with me. I will say it again, the last time I voted was when GMA ran for VP where I overwhelmingly supported her. Thanks to that experience.
@Ilda,
Miriam Santiago lectured us all on day 5 that impeachment is quasi-political and quasi-judicial . I will liberally use the terminologies. Also, I don’t believe that someone can carve another’s destiny – the other person chooses it.
The same day Senator Honasan clarified the meaning of “due process” – innocent until proven guilty.
One of the resolutions in this impeachment trial is to allow both parties, the witnesses and the judges to use the mother tongue to widen the audience. In our province , we don’t use the term nasasakdal for a court respondent but instead akusado which is a derivative of the the same Spanish term with c instead of k. And this term is liberally used in Spanish litigation to mean the respondent. If you have problems using accusation, that is certainly not an issue to me. Besides, I don’t remember saying that CJ is already guilty(?) with reference to this impeachment trial. All I was saying is for him to prove that the ill-gotten wealth thingy is wrong because that is where the Article 2 is moving around. I just compared my income to his just to support that idea.
@hara
Not on fair trial is supposed to be the continuation of the preceding sentence. It’s my bad.
So you still stand for your ridiculous opinion that Corona is guilty until proven innocent?
As you’ve commented –
“What the public and a levelheaded commenter like me wants is plain and simple. CJ is being accused of ammassing ill-gotten wealth according to the components of article #2 in the articles of impeachment. Then just prove that the allegation is wrong.â€
Just bear in mind that the burden of proof is always on the accuser in any legal confrontation. I’m sure, if you’re in denial on the clause of “guilty until proven innocence”, the clause of “the burden of proof is always on the accuser” is again something beyond your perception.
@Trosp
I don’t know who among the two us is lost in this argument. The blog was already focused on the trial hence benign0 gave practically a five star to the defense team and the trial is what I have in mind in my comment.Did I say CJ is already guilty? Wasn’t I referring to the article 2 which is already being addressed in this impeachment trial? How I wish that the money that is being spent on this trial just be given to the Sendong victims.
The way you address and talk to people is being reflected in the way you comment and
hence your unrefined character. I am rude when rudeness is being called but I can be gentle when coolness is solicited. I have already replied to Ilda regarding my position. I don’t need to repeat myself
Don’t blow your cover man. You are starting to cackle like an egg-laying hen. What will I be ashamed of and to whom? To you? This mediocre and levelheaded troll calls the shot in his workplace with subordinates of other nationalities , sends his hard-earned dollars back home to help the country’s economy.. and I will be ashamed? I think you need to take a shower to be refreshed. Who are you by the way? I’ll tell you, here in this country where I am working now, it is in fact a shame to be identified a GMA supporter. Well sorry to disappoint any of you but its a fact. An Erap-tion joke says: tell me who your friends are…and I will tell you who are they. Indulge in your own insignificant litany.
@Hara
Why I call you shameless.
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You: Splendid (your reference to somebody’s outrageous claim). You remind me of the blind folded lady justice. It’s improper to comment here. I’ll find time to comment on your blog.
(I took that as an affront being a commenter in this blog, I have to reply to your comment and see how far can explore the improperness of commenting in this blog.)
Me: I beg you not to. You, JCC, and that other simpleton commenter here are the Exhibit A of how a Penoy lapdog mind works.
The way I see it, the levelheaded commenters here will not deny their bias. And it is admirable. Rather than ABias-CBN and the unInquirer who still insist that they are fair and balanced.
You : A high-profile commenter like you should have dumbly comprehended my position quickly.
(Isn’t it obvious to you that I’m calling you , JCC, and that other simpleton commenter here are the Exhibit A of how a Penoy lapdog mind works. You might not be Penoy’s lapdog, but I have suspected already that your mind works the same as his lapdogs and it was validated from your later comments.)
You: I agree that CJ has a very good defense team. A star quality as benign0 put it…
(Raising the benchmark of those person(s) then lowering the boom.)
You: …All I can say is, a star is only visible when it is dark. Just before dawn is the darkest and that is where Cuevas’ team MIGHT attain full brightness. But when the light of evidences cracks in, NO DOUBT that that the glitters will fade.
(That is expressed with CERTAINTY. Tantamount to a verdict of guilty. Sort of just sorting and closing the loose ends and formalizing the paperwork.)
You: I earn more than 6x CJ’s salary but I can’t afford a unit at the Bellagio. Isn’t it a valid reason for me not to inquire if he is capable of paying for the properties? – in posh locations they are, hello? I have never seen any of you here – including benign0 – that upheld the position: to get rid of the doubt from people’s minds, it’s just prim and proper for the public to know that CJ is really financially capable. YOU DON’T THUMB UP STEALING, DO YOU?
(Tantamount to an affront that CJ is guilty as charged but camouflaged it as an interrogative quote just to play it safe, heh? )
You: Then just prove that the allegation is wrong.
(As I’ve said, for you, in legal confrontation, it’s the accuser to disprove the allegation and not the accuser to prove his allegation.)
But hold it, your later claim:
You: The way you address and talk to people is being reflected in the way you comment and
hence your unrefined character. I am rude when rudeness is being called but I can be gentle when coolness is solicited. I have already replied to Ilda regarding my position. I don’t need to repeat myself.
(Here is your reply to her.)
You: @Ilda, Miriam Santiago lectured us all on day 5 that impeachment is quasi-political and quasi-judicial . I will liberally use the terminologies. Also, I don’t believe that someone can carve another’s destiny – the other person chooses it.
(So what is your position in the burden of proof is on the accuser in your reply to Ilda? What is your position in guilty unless proven innocent in your reply to Ilda? Where is that in your reply to her?
Are you pulling our legs?
Man up!
BTW, Call me rude or whatever. It will not stop me from calling spade a spade.)
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Don’t use the amount of what you are earning 6X as much as he is earning as a chief justice and you can’t buy a posh property as your basis for your argument in claiming CJ is already guilty of corruption.
Now you know why I call you shameless!
@Trosp
I don’t know if you are closely following the impeachment trial. FYI, your burden of proof argument is eventually shifting to the defense – that is according to Enrile himself because they dropped Article 2.4. Call a spade a spade – no one stops you. But a sh%t, no matter how much you cover it, no matter how beautfully you write attention catching blogs and comments to divert from it, it’s still a sh%t and its stinky scent will comeout in due time. Let me ask you and you need to be honest with yourself otherwise you are no different from the people you call yellow zombie. Did you for a single moment take a look at CJs ITRs & SALNs and studied them carefully? I bet your answer again is the burden of proof is…blah blah..blah. While everybody is laughing abut the performance of the defense team and praising Cuevas, has anyone here ever looked at the documents presented in view of a common man – who after all are the ones represented by the prosecution – which includes you and me – and who are also being looked upon by the Senator-Judges? Well, I certainly agree how Cuevas practically eaten the prosecution in oral arguments but at the end of the day, the Senator-Judges will look at the documents ( I’m trying not to consider them evidences yet). Sorry man, the sands are shifting and BongBong Marcos himself said that the same ponencia ( ironically penned by CJ) used to recover ill-gotten wealth from his family will be referred to in resolving the allegations in Article 2. Ouch!, you called me shameless…com’on it didn’t hurt. BTW, just scroll and find my answer to Ilda. You have quoted an older one. Have fun!
@hara,
To tell you the truth, I have a lot of fun deconstructing your comments, your dishonesty with them. A lot of inconvenient truth in my deconstruction that’s hard for for you to swallow isn’t it?
So you want to move on another topic.
How about disproving any of those inconvenient truths that I’ve cited first instead of jumping to another new topic – it’s now JC’s SALN and ITR that you want to be on the table.
Eh, you’re like those idiot impeachment prosecutors who can’t articulate the article of impeachment for the day and instead would like to jump to the next unscheduled article. And when allowed, would declare that they don’t have the evidences ready yet. And eventually, would like Enrile to bend the rules for them.
According to you –
“Did you for a single moment take a look at CJs ITRs & SALNs and studied them carefully? I bet your answer again is the burden of proof is…blah blah..blah.”
As I have commented before, Penoy yellow mobs think that they can read minds and can see the future.
I present to you Harakiri!!!
His stupid spewing, according to him with certainty, is I would reply with the burden of proof.
Wrong dude. Penoy’s yellow mobs are always wrong anyway.
I’ve read his SALN in the newspaper but not the ITR since AFIK, it’s not in any newspaper yet.
To reciprocate, have you read his ITR? And where? How about the link for verification?
Granting that I’ve read it, so what (if I may borrow benign0’s TM so what test for a second)?
You have an issue with it, then bring it on shameless dude!
BTW, I’m only earning 1/6 of what JC’s earning and according to you you’re earning 6X more than him and you’re whining you can’t afford to buy a posh property.
I’ve already paid the balance of my home mortgage way advanced before its maturity, have my two older children finished their college educations in private colleges, and still paying for the education of my two young kids in private Catholic schools. I also have a nightlife spending that my church will excommunicate me if they stumble on them.
And I don’t use other people’s money. I don’t use money that I did not earn.
That’s life for me, and if I’m a civil servant under Penoy’s regime, I could be impeached.
BTW again, lose some, win some. Better luck next time.
@Trosp
…Granting that I’ve read it, so what
I concede to the wrong use of the term ITR instead of using Alpha Lists which according to Henares are technically the same .The point is his income you m@ron. If you refuse to connect the two, fine. A legitimate blind is even better than a pretending one because the latter doesn’t know how to use his other senses. Let’s just wait for the trial then either side can realize later on who is right on the money – and who is shameless.
LOL Banal na aso, santong kabayo, natatawa ako …
BTW, did I asked you to narrate your personal life? Eddie Ilarde has long been dead you fool! And I don’t use other people’s money. I don’t use money that I did not earn. – then you are far from trouble of having to go through the same public shame. We are not talking here of a property comparing to your bungalow in a guava field man. P-O-S-H, if you don’t know the meaning Google it boy. That will irrigate the dryness of your sh%t head. Comparing a lizard to a Comodo dragon is not just absurd – it’s outright stupid. The mere mention of your two older children finishing college means you are probably older than me by 2 or 3 years. My Engineer finishes this term at DLSU Taft and the accountant in 2 years. Same here man, everything is hard-earned but I have more than a common Pinoy. Better luck next time? – so you thought you won over me? LOL, sorry man, no one wins so no one loses either. In a blosphere, it’s only an imagination. FYI, I came from the same province as CJ. What one of my colleagues here who is a genuine Pampangueno said about GMA kung anong sinapit nya, kasalanan nya.. Same here for CJ man, he carves his own desitny. What he sows, he reaps. Tsk..tsk.. don’t spend so much money on nightlife. Nighlife rottens your brain this is why you thought that impeachment applies to all civil servants. LOL.
Correction in my comment:
“As I’ve said, for you, in legal confrontation, it’s the “accuser” to disprove the allegation and not the accuser to prove his allegation.” Should read:
“As I’ve said, for you, in legal confrontation, it’s the “accused” to disprove the allegation and not the accuser to prove his allegation.
I have replied already above. Your argument eventually fires back to you.
How the heck did that fire back on him? You only did some boasting of your own financial capability while trying to imply that having some nightlife corrupts his mind. And that since Corona and his family has great wealth under their names that cannot be acquired by his known source of income, these must be ill-gotten.
Indulge in watching the impeachment trial boy so that you will be more educated on the issue. Revenge is sweet when you see that your enemy is slowly dying. Yun lang.. puro ka ngawa.
Indeed, if proof gets unearthed, I’d change my opinion of Corona. I believe that’s the correct thinking process. But that’s just me, and I see that you’re different. You said it yourself, you like to get some “revenge” and you want it in a way where the “enemy is slowly dying.”
Also, you didn’t answer my question, how did Trosp’s argument fire back on him?
pffftt… talk to the hand.
It’s just unfortunate that we have a cohorts, or mobs, who at the flick of a finger will vilify anybody because of this morally superior syndrome. Perhaps, if there is this politically correct thing, there is this morally correct thing also.
I’d agree with Peste on the correct thinking process. The linear thinking process. There are people who are so stupid to know what linear thinking is.
There are people who can’t reflect on what really is the issue.
At present time, the accusations against the chief justice are all allegations. Read the news and the summation is “still no proof of graft after Day 7 of impeachment trial”.
Thew funny thing, and I really have my fun with it, is to reciprocate. Accused the accuser. And whoah! Look at the reaction!
As if they’re telling me who am I to accused them. They are the deciders and should not be questioned.
The phrase “morally superiority” always comes into my mind in describing these people. But the phrase “moral incontinence” persists in my mind every time I reflect.
They were duped by Penoy’s propagandist. So idiotic to be mild about it.
As I have been commenting, people should study how these people who pretends to be in high moral ground minds work. A very clear example is this Harakiri. (The dude does not have an identity and
feels offended. What more if the identity is known. All I can perceive is that dude has no balls. No cojones!).
His mother or would be very proud of him.
What is his reply when being challenged –
“pffftt… talk to the hand”
Really shameless. This guy has no shame.
And dishonest too.
The question is, are the “people’s representatives”– the Congressmen Prosecutors and all those who signed the impeachment complaints– clean? Some of them are also suspected of various crimes, including graft and corruption, but isn’t it that when they are the ones being accused, they seek all the protections of the law and say “burden of proof is on the accusers?” And, how many of them after assuming their government posts, became poorer than before? I would bet my lolo and lola that all of them are richer now after “tumulong sila sa tao at magsilbi sa gobyerno.” I am not saying Corona should be acquitted on the basis of this. What I want is that the same rules, laws be applied to them na nagmamalinis.
i am not a regular here but when i do find the time, i read all the blogs and the comments on the blog…one thing i have noticed, despite, the good exchange of ideas and comments and the healthy debate that the issue of the blog brings about, one side always resorts to name calling and personal attacks, even to the extent of being dismissive, if another comment is contrary to their own. paano nga naman aangat ang pilipinas, simpleng usapan lang ginagawang away, patalbugan at pataasan ng ihi…what a darn shame
You mentioned small fry reports Raissa Robles and Marites Vitug – that’s not fair. I used to have a lot of time for them and they work a lot harder than most journos BUT – take a look at Raissa’s blog – a nice ABS-CBN banner there – is she getting money from them????
I find this blog interesting. I agree with comments regarding “Innocent until proven guilty”. Not to show any bias, but the Prosecution is evidently in shambles since day 1. I believe we should just wait for both sides to present their evidences and let this impeachment court decide. Let us not resort to trial by publicity.